The Boxing Thread

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Sun, 10-29-2006, 04:02 AM
SK

The Boxing Thread

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT AN MMA VERSUS BOXING THREAD

Anyone else here a boxing fan? I used to be a huge fan, then I slacked for a while, now I am getting back into it. Anyway this thread is basically anything about boxing, if you box, or have boxed, drop your experiences, talk about upcoming and past fights, favorite boxers, who is the best fighter of all time, all that good stuff...

I'll start by giving links to some of my favorite fights and highlight reels, even if you aren't much of a fan (yet) these are cool videos to watch.

Hagler - Hearns, one of the best fights ever seen, and its only 3 rounds. Amazing to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYHSHd1xfpY

Gotti - Ward I, one of the most brutal fights ever, and also with the most heart ever displayed in the ring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjVbqJIAw-k

A couple from my hometown hero, WBA Jr Middleweight Champion Jose A. Rivera
v Collazo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae6m-qIyNt0
v Garcia for world title in second weight division
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LRyW309q6g

One of the best trilogies ever, Morales - Barrera III
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaaclyzIGwY

The man from the Philippines who knocked Barrera off his throne, Manny Pacquiao!
Barrera - Pacquiao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8BmxTdVtXc

Manny Pacquiao Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4Y3K2OIUWw

The Greatest, Muhammad Ali
I picked this video because it was interesting to see the sheer force and speed of Ali.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU2YPXghFkU
Sun, 10-29-2006, 07:09 AM
Stoopider

I'm not really that big a fan of boxing, but I do watch MMA.
Hmm. No clips of Mike Tyson? I still think in his prime he's one of the fiercest boxers known to man. Just pure brutality in his style. The Takamaru. :P

Mike Tyson compilation clips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78ANu_CVGpI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvZ2roRDPYU
Sun, 10-29-2006, 11:13 AM
mage

Yes, boxing is boring since they can only punch. MMA is so much more exciting :)
Sun, 10-29-2006, 12:44 PM
SK

This really wasn't supposed to be an MMA versus boxing thread but I'll respond to your comments. I'm pretty sure it is well known that boxing is a more exciting and at times more brutal sport than MMA for the simple reason that boxing has no submissions. The only way to submit an opponent in boxing is through knockout, or technical knockout (cuts, corner stops fight etc.) In MMA, submissions are the fastest and most efficient way to win a match, which is why usually the match is composed of two men rolling around on the ground trying to get a stoppage. Boxing is composed of two men trying to damage their opponent only through strikes to the head and body until they cannot fight any longer. Of course if you think two men rolling around on the ground is exciting, then MMA will be more interesting and exciting for you. I think boxing is the more honorable sport.
Sun, 10-29-2006, 01:33 PM
mage

Quote:

Originally Posted by SK

This really wasn't supposed to be an MMA versus boxing thread but I'll respond to your comments. I'm pretty sure it is well known that boxing is a more exciting and at times more brutal sport than MMA for the simple reason that boxing has no submissions. The only way to submit an opponent in boxing is through knockout, or technical knockout (cuts, corner stops fight etc.) In MMA, submissions are the fastest and most efficient way to win a match, which is why usually the match is composed of two men rolling around on the ground trying to get a stoppage. Boxing is composed of two men trying to damage their opponent only through strikes to the head and body until they cannot fight any longer. Of course if you think two men rolling around on the ground is exciting, then MMA will be more interesting and exciting for you. I think boxing is the more honorable sport.

Well, to people who have no idea what the ground game is about, it can indeed look like two guys trying to have sex. However, if you think that's all MMA is, you're obviously misinformed. Also, the fact that you're able to submit your opponent definitely doesn't make it any less exciting. It's much the opposite IMO. And really don't see what's so exciting about two guys standing there and punching each other. Kick boxing is great since it adds some diversity, but pure boxing? Boring as hell.
Sun, 10-29-2006, 01:43 PM
SK

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Originally Posted by The Astronomer

Well, to people who have no idea what the ground game is about, it can indeed look like two guys trying to have sex. However, if you think that's all MMA is, you're obviously misinformed. Also, the fact that you're able to submit your opponent definitely doesn't make it any less exciting. It's much the opposite IMO. And really don't see what's so exciting about two guys standing there and punching each other. Kick boxing is great since it adds some diversity, but pure boxing? Boring as hell.

I can respond to each of your statements with the opposite, which is pointless, so we'll have to agree to disagree. Since you don't like boxing, and find it boring, then please, don't post in my boxing thread. Why you would have opened a boxing thread only to state your negative opinion on its entertainment value is unknown.
Sun, 10-29-2006, 01:49 PM
mage

I replied to Stoopider's comments about MMA, you replied to mine, and I replied again. That's how a conversation works.
Sun, 10-29-2006, 08:27 PM
SK

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Astronomer

I replied to Stoopider's comments about MMA, you replied to mine, and I replied again. That's how a conversation works.

I am hard pressed to find a reason for this fool to try so hard to start a flame war, after only being registered for a couple days, and having no knowledge of my person whatsoever. Is this mage?
Sun, 10-29-2006, 10:07 PM
Stoopider

I agree with SK. This is a BOXING THREAD. :P

Sorry about mentioning MMA, didn't meant to hijack the thread. And I just mentioned that I'm not that familiar with Boxing but more with MMA. Hence I posted vids of MIke Tyson, and not Vanderlei Silva for 'Brutality'. :P
Mon, 10-30-2006, 12:14 AM
SK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoopider

I agree with SK. This is a BOXING THREAD. :P

Sorry about mentioning MMA, didn't meant to hijack the thread. And I just mentioned that I'm not that familiar with Boxing but more with MMA. Hence I posted vids of MIke Tyson, and not Vanderlei Silva for 'Brutality'. :P

For sure, thats why I still appreciated your post, you contributed to the topic. Back to your post, I think Iron Mike is one of those sad stories of 'what could have been.'
Mon, 10-30-2006, 12:48 AM
complich8

It's interesting that the thing that made him an excellent fighter made him a completely disfunctional human being...

really says something for the value of irrational rage, huh?
Mon, 10-30-2006, 01:03 AM
SK

Yeah. The hunger made him controllable, once the hunger was gone no one could control him anymore.
Mon, 10-30-2006, 01:57 AM
Stoopider

DOn't know about that. I always thought it was his madhat rage that gives him strength in the ring. Now that he has won it all, his passion has dimmed. He probably isn't that angry anymore. I think he found God or something. :p Either that or I think people found him out.

I'm no boxing fan, but can anyone explain to me how he eventually started losing? What was the catalyst? I'm going to wikipedia him now :p This thread suddenly got me interested.

I remember reading an article sometime ago, they said that the strength of his punches is as bad as getting hit with a wrench.
Mon, 10-30-2006, 08:23 AM
mage

More like a sledge hammer..
Mon, 10-30-2006, 09:51 AM
SK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoopider

DOn't know about that. I always thought it was his madhat rage that gives him strength in the ring. Now that he has won it all, his passion has dimmed. He probably isn't that angry anymore. I think he found God or something. :p Either that or I think people found him out.

I'm no boxing fan, but can anyone explain to me how he eventually started losing? What was the catalyst? I'm going to wikipedia him now :p This thread suddenly got me interested.

I remember reading an article sometime ago, they said that the strength of his punches is as bad as getting hit with a wrench.

Once he had the money and was the undisputed champ, he fired his longtime trainer (after Cus.) His trainer was the one who was able to get him to BOX, and controlled him in my opinion. His trainer was able to do that because Tyson was still hungry and knew he needed a good trainer. After all the money and fame, Tyson, like many other fighters, abandoned the longtime trainer who brought him up, but more than that, was able to direct his often negative energy. That is basically when he started losing his boxing skills. He will always have KO power, but without boxing abilities, he was like any brawler off the street. Then came the prison time etc.
Mon, 10-30-2006, 10:21 AM
Stoopider

Yup. Just read about that in Wikipedia. Kinda a shame. Could have been, should have been, never been, person.
Mon, 10-30-2006, 12:56 PM
SK

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Originally Posted by Stoopider

Yup. Just read about that in Wikipedia. Kinda a shame. Could have been, should have been, never been, person.

Theres a movie about this life thats actually pretty good I don't remember what its called though. Tyson did a lot of fucked up things, I don't remember if it was Cus or Rooney but one of them took him in off the streets. I think it was Rooney who caught him touching his daughter. They dealt with a lot of his madness because of his natural boxing skill.