darn americans

latly americans (i am 1) have been taking seeans from animes and putting them in movies.a example the last fight in the matrix 3 came right from dbz

*lately
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and i don't understand what you are talking about.

I think he's saying is that american media(especially movies) are stealing ideas from anime.
You are correct, the final battle in the Matrix: Revolutions did remind me of DBZ.
But I really don't see what's to complain about....

US companies have been ripping off anime for years. The Lion King is an artistic (and storyline) ripoff of an anime from the 60's. See also: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a991224.html

Corporate America is a giant leech. Get used to it, 'cause the rest of the world is too. Extending what south park said in the famous "simpsons did it" episode (607 if you care), family guy is a rehashing of simpsons, which is a rehashing of flintstones, which is a rehash of the honeymooners. A lot of stories have their roots in other stories, but modernize them slightly to vary the theme enough to protect them from copyright laws and repackage and remarket them. Even japanese tv is somewhat guilty of this, rehashing the same basic storylines with different art and characters. The trick is in the nuances -- DBZ didn't harp on the christ figure thing, where matrix 3 did. DBZ set it in a magical mystical world enabled by people's grasp of the highest levels of martial arts, where matrix enabled the world to be somewhat magical by people's acceptance of the nature of their artificial reality.

I guess the question is ... who cares?

why not go as far that the matrix is based off the same idea that inspired Ghost in the shell? and its not like they made it some great secret that they were inspired by the anime style.

Not to be a jerk, but the story for the Lion King was talken from Hamlet, it's a Shakespearian referance.

-Slag

slagheap: yeah yeah we know (the site I linked to also said that)... but the animation style was still a little too similar to the japanese version to be entirely comfortable.

yenlowang: yeah yeah, Matrix took it a different direction than gits did though, where gits becomes a somewhat detatched meandering through the nature of consciousness and the boundaries of the "real" and the incredibly good simulation (real world and net) and just wanders through that, matrix gives about half a movie worth of casual nodding to that theme and then goes on to retell the christ story, complete with a plethora of crosses strewn all over the place and a whole crucifixion scene, and "The One" and "The Savior" and enough that if you're sensitive to that and not entirely positively disposed toward it, it grows rather disgustingly hamfisted by the third movie.

But you're right, it is just variations on themes. Just like the Matrix and gits, lain also be find roots in Baudrillard's simulacra. Baudrillard formulated his concepts of perceptions influenced by the times and earlier philosphers, ultimately tracing to the likes of aristotle's and plato's conflicting views on "which came first: the chicken or the idea of the chicken" and the resultant loosened grasp on the concept of reality as a whole that the weakening of our views of the underpinnings of reality renders for us.

Does that mean the works have less value? As truly original fundamental philosophical movements: nopers. They are still monuments in philosophy and in our theories of perception -- just because we know inherently that 1+1=2 doesn't mean that it's inherently less valuable for someone to formulate it. Just because we might have some shaky grasp of why plato's idea and aristotle's empirical frameworks are at odds with each other doesn't make it less valuable for someone to point out exactly why, and to build off the concept and its implications. Lain, gits, and Matrix all take their storytelling different ways, treat their philosophical lessons differently, and portray different implications and possible (or impossible, whatever) sequences caused by the same butterfly flapping its wings in the park downtown.

like I said, who cares? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

yeah who cares =)

as long as its entertaining let them retell the same story over and over again

As long as they doesn't rip the same every decade.

Just watch the action movies, they rip from Hong Kong