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I have to say that this thread has been 9 pages of utter shit. I had to sift through that many pages of DBZ-flames, when the arguing parties should have created their own thread for the argumentatively challenged, and fought it out with blowup boxing gloves.

There were a few gems though. Elessar's comment that brought up the point of the entire arc was exceedingly accurate, in my eyes. The whole point of this adventure was to prove the point... fighting for someone else is what makes you strong. It seems that every (good) main character in the story has learned the lesson except Sasuke. (Whether he's "good" or "bad" is up for debate now...) Most of the people learned that lesson... FIGHTING NARUTO. Hello?! *knock knock knock* Anyone home?! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

My predictions for the next chapter... I think that the three-dot sharingan will be a possible negative when his sight fills with the probabilities of Naruto's moves. I have a vision in my head of tons of Narutos on a single pane surrounding Sasuke. Probably not though... just a Naruto-fanboy vision probably.

As far as long term, I'd love if Gaara and Lee entered the picture together to illustrate the point Elessar brought up. Imagine the effect that Lee and Gaara fighting for Naruto would make upon Sasuke.

Regardless, flame away... seems to be the only thing Gotwoot has been good for lately.

-xtortout

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Originally posted by: xtort
I have to say that this thread has been 9 pages of utter shit. I had to sift through that many pages of DBZ-flames, when the arguing parties should have created their own thread for the argumentatively challenged, and fought it out with blowup boxing gloves.

There were a few gems though. Elessar's comment that brought up the point of the entire arc was exceedingly accurate, in my eyes. The whole point of this adventure was to prove the point... fighting for someone else is what makes you strong. It seems that every (good) main character in the story has learned the lesson except Sasuke. (Whether he's "good" or "bad" is up for debate now...) Most of the people learned that lesson... FIGHTING NARUTO. Hello?! *knock knock knock* Anyone home?!

My predictions for the next chapter... I think that the three-dot sharingan will be a possible negative when his sight fills with the probabilities of Naruto's moves. I have a vision in my head of tons of Narutos on a single pane surrounding Sasuke. Probably not though... just a Naruto-fanboy vision probably.

As far as long term, I'd love if Gaara and Lee entered the picture together to illustrate the point Elessar brought up. Imagine the effect that Lee and Gaara fighting for Naruto would make upon Sasuke.

Regardless, flame away... seems to be the only thing Gotwoot has been good for lately.

-xtortout

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I'm not even sure why all these people are obsessed with the possessed-uber-Naruto. Visual effects like this have been done before (Haku fight, Gaara, and most noticably, the fight with Neji in the finals). Naruto has had this aura before, or at least a similar one. I'm beginning to think most of this DBZ flaming is actually uncalled for because we're all just wrong about that last panel.

The rest of this battle will probably be a battle between the main theme of Naruto, fighting to protect someone, and fighting to gain power. Sasuke may very well come back (as far as he's gone though, I doubt it). Sasuke may not even *want* to fight Itachi after he gains full power over his potential (which he reached at this point by evolving his curse seal). Naruto is fighting Sasuke to protect Sasuke from falling into evil. I do not think Sasuke will ever hold a candle to Naruto again.

I also believe that no matter what, Sasuke is going to run. If he wins, he's succeeded in gaining the power to kill (or at least match) Itachi at this point. If he loses, he'll only hate and resent Naruto and Konoha more.


Other than that, I guess we'll all just have to find out...

i dont think that sasuke will ever match itachi until gets the mangekyou. im ready to see naruto and sasuke go on seperate paths. i think that sasuke is meant to be the embodiment (sp?) of everything that is oposite to naruto. if he changes now and goes back to the leaf it would be a waste of the past year, but as this fight continues to prolong the more confident i am that it will be interupted. if so, i really hope that sasuke finds another way to get the mangekyou. well, at least we can look forward to sasuke going level 2 at the end of the next chapter.

itachi set sasuke on the path of hate on purpose knowing that sasuke would end up the same as him if he followed it

itachi will never acknolage sasukes strength and will never seek sasuke out for the purpose of killing him(unless it is for an alternate reason) it will be sasuke always chasing itachi

If Naruto starts using that gay-ass Kyuubi form in every fight to win, he, and the series will suck ass. Just like DBZ did. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

People who want Sasuke to become evil.. Dream on. It's not going to happen. So far, everybody in Naruto who's fought against him has ultimately changed their ways. I think it's lame that they do, because a kid yaps his mouth, but oh well.

Sasuke going a different way (like on a different journey), I see happening though. When people in these types of series get a reality check, they tend to go on long journies to figure things out. (but then come back immediately when there's a crisis heh)

Anyways. Next fight, the Sharingan won't be able to keep up with Naruto. Probably because Kyuubi is directly involved in the fight this time, and he might emit a different set of moves (like X-tort said), making it impossible to predict. But then he'll come back level 2 and kick Naruto's ass. Not sure when Kakashi will come around, but he'll be there somewhere.

1) I never said Sasuke is going to stay evil (and if I did, I'm sorry for contradicting myself) But he probably isn't going to be 'good' at the end of this arc. Lots of series have done the whole rival thing, and Naruto and Sasuke are clear rivals. Sasuke has more skills and Naruto is pure raw power. Rivals tend to hate each other. Sasuke will come back, just not anytime soon.

2) I've really really seen enough of the endless Itachi fanboys. Yes, he's powerful. Yes, he can probably destroy most of the chunnin and several jounin single handedly. Yes, the whatever-its-called-I-don't-want-to-bother-to-spell-it-anymore-super-sharingan is really really powerful and I don't want to hear anymore about that either. Itachi fanboys have begun to use the Mangekyou sharingan as an excuse, to say that Itachi will never lose. Itachi has blatantly stated he CAN'T beat more than one sennin level ninja.

3) If anyone should be fawning over a really strong character, it should be Oro. He, crippled, but with a little help from a jounin level, took on the other two sannin to a stalemate. And has killed a Hokage (it was an old one though). In Sarutobi's defence, and Oro's I guess, Sarutobi killed two hokages himself in that battle. Oro with not cursed hands is one of, if not the most powerful characters so far. I still hate him though...


Stupid Itachi fanboys, we don't even know the extent of Sasuke's lvl 2 seal...

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3) If anyone should be fawning over a really strong character, it should be Oro. He, crippled, but with a little help from a jounin level, took on the other two sannin to a stalemate. And has killed a Hokage (it was an old one though). In Sarutobi's defence, and Oro's I guess, Sarutobi killed two hokages himself in that battle. Oro with not cursed hands is one of, if not the most powerful characters so far. I still hate him though...


Stupid Itachi fanboys, we don't even know the extent of Sasuke's lvl 2 seal...

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Explain how people should be fawning over a really strong character like Oro, but not stronger than him, like Itachi? Itachi is just cooler than Oro. He's nothing but a pedophile gimp (or used to be) who has a lame purpose in life.

Edit : And no, I'm not an Itachi fanboy. But, I'd rather fawn over Itachi, than Oro is all I'm saying.

Again, I was making a suggestion that a lot of Itachi fanboys are fanboys because Itachi is so strong. He is cool, but he's not some invincible, unstoppable force. Neither is Oro, but he's really strong in a similar way Itachi is. I know why there aren't any Oro fanboys, because he IS a "a pedophile gimp (or used to be) who has a lame purpose in life." I was just hoping to persuade some recent joiners from joining the army of Itachi fanboys and find a more unique character for a favorite (one that probably isn't the strongest character, that's too DBZish).

I'm just sick of every single thread turning into an Itachi thread. What happened to the 684+ post Itachi thread where all the fanboys used to hang out together? All too many threads lately have been "OMGZ!!! NARUTO IS NO CHANCE TO DEFEAT ITACHI!!!!! ITACHI WILL MANGEKYOU THEM ALLZ AND END IT NOW!!!!! ITACHI TOTALLY WILL PW0NZR SASUKE!!!" Yes, I am thoroughly aware this is a exaggeration, but it is sadly not that big of one.

I'm not going to reply to any responses to this message unless they are actually about chapter 230, to prevent this from becoming too much of an Itachi thread (yes, I know I started it). Whoever wants the last word on this little issue I've brought up can have it.



Note: the comparison to DBZ is not necessarily an insult. Admit it, you know you watched it too.

dbz is the shit and you all know it.

you know.....sasuke could very well become the next biggest villian of the series....
perhaps the "last boss" so to speak....

Just to mention didn't Gai leave before kakashi? to look for lee... i can see him coming in before kakashi gets there, just to surprise. Esp. since Gai hasn't done any major fighting yet, its a very viable possibility

wait he did? i dont remember gai leaving.....

edit: xtort if you dont like it then dont post here anymore [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

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Again, I was making a suggestion that a lot of Itachi fanboys are fanboys because Itachi is so strong. He is cool, but he's not some invincible, unstoppable force. Neither is Oro, but he's really strong in a similar way Itachi is. I know why there aren't any Oro fanboys, because he IS a "a pedophile gimp (or used to be) who has a lame purpose in life." I was just hoping to persuade some recent joiners from joining the army of Itachi fanboys and find a more unique character for a favorite (one that probably isn't the strongest character, that's too DBZish).

I'm just sick of every single thread turning into an Itachi thread. What happened to the 684+ post Itachi thread where all the fanboys used to hang out together? All too many threads lately have been "OMGZ!!! NARUTO IS NO CHANCE TO DEFEAT ITACHI!!!!! ITACHI WILL MANGEKYOU THEM ALLZ AND END IT NOW!!!!! ITACHI TOTALLY WILL PW0NZR SASUKE!!!" Yes, I am thoroughly aware this is a exaggeration, but it is sadly not that big of one.

I'm not going to reply to any responses to this message unless they are actually about chapter 230, to prevent this from becoming too much of an Itachi thread (yes, I know I started it). Whoever wants the last word on this little issue I've brought up can have it.



Note: the comparison to DBZ is not necessarily an insult. Admit it, you know you watched it too.

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I'm just saying that if I were to choose between JUST Itachi and Oro, it would be Itachi because of said reasons.

The Itachi thing isn't that bad anymore though. Everyone's all gone past the Itachi fixation, and back toward Kyuubi Naruto nut hugging. You and I know that the Kyuubi crap is WAY more overrated here than Itachi ever was. It always has been, and will be, until somebody manages to get past it. Hell, even when Kisame overcame the chakra,people were still deifying it.

The DBZ thing is an insult, to people who got tired of the formula. (read thread to learn what it was)

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People who want Sasuke to become evil.. Dream on. It's not going to happen. So far, everybody in Naruto who's fought against him has ultimately changed their ways. I think it's lame that they do, because a kid yaps his mouth, but oh well.

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No its not lame. In naruto the charaters are acually HUMAN with real emotions. I mean look at Zabuza(sp?). He was evil he killed for fun he called himself a demon. But near the end he died crying because his friend haku died. Protecting him and everyone else. I think this style of story telling is more real then some of the other idiot badies out there. Who have no real purpose other then to kill and cause chaos.

You think it's real. I don't think it's enough. Whatever.

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2) I've really really seen enough of the endless Itachi fanboys. Yes, he's powerful. Yes, he can probably destroy most of the chunnin and several jounin single handedly. Yes, the whatever-its-called-I-don't-want-to-bother-to-spell-it-anymore-super-sharingan is really really powerful and I don't want to hear anymore about that either. Itachi fanboys have begun to use the Mangekyou sharingan as an excuse, to say that Itachi will never lose. Itachi has blatantly stated he CAN'T beat more than one sennin level ninja.

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just wrong. even without the mangekyou sharingan, itachi can pretty much wipe the floor with everyone that has been introduced except for the sannin. the reason why itachi is never gonna lose to anyone is because the only person who can and will beat him is sasuke. if that doesn't happen then sasuke's entire storyline goes to shit. also, what's wrong with not being able to beat more than one sannin level ninja? sannins are pretty much hokage status in terms of over skill/power. being even able to beat one of them is incredible.

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3) If anyone should be fawning over a really strong character, it should be Oro. He, crippled, but with a little help from a jounin level, took on the other two sannin to a stalemate. And has killed a Hokage (it was an old one though). In Sarutobi's defence, and Oro's I guess, Sarutobi killed two hokages himself in that battle. Oro with not cursed hands is one of, if not the most powerful characters so far. I still hate him though...


Stupid Itachi fanboys, we don't even know the extent of Sasuke's lvl 2 seal...

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actually, you're stupid. if you talk so highly of orochimaru, then why don't you think about when orochimaru said that itachi is even stronger than he is? also, orochimaru did not end in a stalemate in that sannin fight. he lost. kabuto got the shit kicked out of him and so did orochimaru. don't try to ignore the facts when they are right in front of you. sorry to break your bubble but itachi is the strongest character right now.

also, what does sasuke's lvl 2 seal have anything to do with this? do you think level 2 seal will be enough to beat itachi? no, idiot, of course not. sasuke is obviously gonna realize that this quick method of getting stronger isn't the right way to become truly strong. if sasuke does beat itachi with the level 2 seal, then all of that stuff kakashi told him and naruto's ability to change people's hearts will all go to waste. i don't know how you're not even thinking this through.

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Originally posted by: Ryllharu
Again, I was making a suggestion that a lot of Itachi fanboys are fanboys because Itachi is so strong. He is cool, but he's not some invincible, unstoppable force. Neither is Oro, but he's really strong in a similar way Itachi is. I know why there aren't any Oro fanboys, because he IS a "a pedophile gimp (or used to be) who has a lame purpose in life." I was just hoping to persuade some recent joiners from joining the army of Itachi fanboys and find a more unique character for a favorite (one that probably isn't the strongest character, that's too DBZish).

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why is this dbzish and why do you need persuade anyone from being an itachi fan? don't be mad cuz your favorite character is either an idiot or a weakling (you probably like rock lee).

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I'm just sick of every single thread turning into an Itachi thread. What happened to the 684+ post Itachi thread where all the fanboys used to hang out together? All too many threads lately have been "OMGZ!!! NARUTO IS NO CHANCE TO DEFEAT ITACHI!!!!! ITACHI WILL MANGEKYOU THEM ALLZ AND END IT NOW!!!!! ITACHI TOTALLY WILL PW0NZR SASUKE!!!" Yes, I am thoroughly aware this is a exaggeration, but it is sadly not that big of one.

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the fact is, the only way to beat itachi is via mangekyou sharingan. is there ANY other technique that can counter/defeat it? no. it's like how the sealing technique was the only way to beat kyubi (i'm not saying itachi is strong as kyubi, i'm just making a comparison between which technique is needed for a certain person). and don't bring up gai's dumbass method of fighting against sharingan users.

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I'm not going to reply to any responses to this message unless they are actually about chapter 230, to prevent this from becoming too much of an Itachi thread (yes, I know I started it). Whoever wants the last word on this little issue I've brought up can have it.

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respond back, i know you're itching to.

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People who want Sasuke to become evil.. Dream on. It's not going to happen. So far, everybody in Naruto who's fought against him has ultimately changed their ways. I think it's lame that they do, because a kid yaps his mouth, but oh well.

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No its not lame. In naruto the charaters are acually HUMAN with real emotions. I mean look at Zabuza(sp?). He was evil he killed for fun he called himself a demon. But near the end he died crying because his friend haku died. Protecting him and everyone else. I think this style of story telling is more real then some of the other idiot badies out there. Who have no real purpose other then to kill and cause chaos.

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yes it is quite lame. and boring in the long run.

@ hotsuma. maybe we are dreaming but if he doesnt this series will suck really bad. sasuke cut all ties to konoha when he left if he comes back now and everybody forgives him i will seriosuly kill kishimoto.

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Originally posted by: Hotsuma

People who want Sasuke to become evil.. Dream on. It's not going to happen. So far, everybody in Naruto who's fought against him has ultimately changed their ways. I think it's lame that they do, because a kid yaps his mouth, but oh well.

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No its not lame. In naruto the charaters are acually HUMAN with real emotions. I mean look at Zabuza(sp?). He was evil he killed for fun he called himself a demon. But near the end he died crying because his friend haku died. Protecting him and everyone else. I think this style of story telling is more real then some of the other idiot badies out there. Who have no real purpose other then to kill and cause chaos.

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yes it is quite lame. and boring in the long run.

@ hotsuma. maybe we are dreaming but if he doesnt this series will suck really bad. sasuke cut all ties to konoha when he left if he comes back now and everybody forgives him i will seriosuly kill kishimoto.

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Thank you. I'm glad somebody gets the picture.

Badass guy : "I must kill everything! The world sucks!" (or anything anti-hero)
Naruto : "No! You can't kill! It's just not right! Change your ways!"
Badass guy who is no longer badass : *cries* I'm sorry, I was wrong.
Naruto : "Let's go eat some ramen."


Villains are meant to stay villains. Neji was MUCH cooler as a "villain." Gaara was more character as a bad guy. (but when he came back, he was still fairly cool, because of how dramatic it was) Zabuza was an AWESOME bad guy who had all the right parts to being a good villain. Until Naruto came in and pussified him.

Maybe I'm just a cynical person. who knows.

i agree on neji, i dont care about zabuza since he was going to die anyway but i still think gaara is badass even tho he is a good badass. i just hope naruto wont suceed this time with sasuke cause sasuke is seriously much better as an evil character. he was a real pussy when he started to turn evil and in the whole process of it but now once he got some more strength and is evil he is cooler and i think he is better as a character if he is evil. there are far to many good guys and to less evil guys.

I actually think Sasuke made a pretty good good guy. When he took the blow for Naruto against Haku, I thought it was a pretty cool thing to do. "I don't know why... My body just acted on it's own... Idiot, Naruto.."

That was a great scene.