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Kind of what I was thinking. Not so much that Naruto is the destined child but perhaps that he is definately part of this whole prohpecy. I'm starting to think that Jiraiya will realize that the decision he needs to make for peace to come is to die. Not saying that he'll let himself, but that he'll realize Naruto will avenge him, and in turn take down all the akatsuki eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
Heh, that's exactly what I was thinking. They thought Anakin would bring peace to the world but it ended up being Luke. So... Pein is Anakin and Naruto would be Luke. Heck they keep talking about Naruto... how everyone he meets becomes his friend and he'll bring peace to the world (they especially talk about this in the more recent shippuden episodes). The Naruto manga has too many repeating storylines.... History just keeps repeating itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by DB_Hunter
Pain said that each of the Sannins have their own "unique ability"
Now, this chapter introduces the hermit mode as Jiraiya's
But what is Orochimaru's? The ability to prolong life? To summon the dead?
Tsunade's? Her chakra-saving forehead ability?
I hope we get to see something more cool than just detection and snake attack from the hermit mode.....it just feels like 2 talented frogs glued to Jiraiya's shoulders so far..
Well of course the point is to think Pein is the destined child. I think the two frogs even mentioned it when they were asking Jiraiya why he was fighting him.
I'm just saying that maybe they were wrong in their presumption...since the sage never explicitly stated which student would be the destined child.
Actually, I always thought that Anakin was the chosen one, who "brought balance to the force". Originally, the force was dominated by good guys, until Anakin wiped them all out, evening the balance. But, there are many ways to read into it, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viscero
I'd like to think Naruto is the misunderstood and unexpected "chosen one", but if he is, it would be way too cliché. I don't know. It might also be referring to the Fourth Hokage, or one of his two teammates, right? But not likely one of them.
i know japanese can sometimes be vague about plurals, so perhaps the prophecy is to be read as jiraiya having more then one apprentice (which is very true) and that one could bring destuction and the other peace. and the choice jiraiya would have to make is between the two. so both naruto and pain are the chosen ones.
Do we now that Madara (Tobi) is the real leader of Akatsuki? And i'm not sure that tobi should be Madara. Does somebody said that? He just said, that his eye(s) are those from Madara. Or am I wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by RyougaZell
How could someone be a boss over Pain and not be Madara? Seriously.
It would be pretty easy in the Naruto-verse since there's always someone stronger then character X. Even if the original Rinnegan guy were to come back from the gave and actually be the one who was behind everything Kishimoto would still find some way for someone to be stronger than him.
That's a very loose and uninspiring counter-argument.
You could shrug off any debate with the canned "the mangaka could do whatever he feels like" response...but that doesn't make it a note-worthy contribution. It just cock-blocks the discussion.
Great point I didn't know anyone else thought that way about Anakin and its a great analogy of this situation. First of all I don't consider Naruto to be Jiraiya's student, compared to Pein and the Fourth, it always seemed like Jiraiya just trained Naruto for a little simply because it was nostalgic as Naruto reminded him of Minato he doesn't seem to consider Naruto his student. So Naruto being the choosen one is way too cliché and completely out of the question, The Anakin comparison explains this perfectly as linear thinkers always believed the prophecy was wrong because Anakin didn't bring peace to the Universe blah, blah, blah but Anakin's actions set events into motion that eventually led to the inevitable conclusion..Quote:
Originally Posted by KCMmmmm
The prophecy could be about Pein or Minato or even both because if not for Minato, Naruto would not have The Kyuubi there maynot have even had a viilage without him and If Pein is the Leader of Akatsuki then without him there would be no Akatsuki so Jiraiya training Naruto, Orochimaru meeting Itachi, Itachi coming back to the Leaf and meeting Sasuke, etc, everything after the Zabuza arc is a direct result of Akatsuki. So while I know that most likely idiotic Naruto is going to save the cheerleader/save the world, the prophecy is definitely about Pein because whether the world is saved or destroyed the outcome will be a direct result of his actions thus fulfilling the prophecy.
It was explicitly stated that Pein is the leader of Akatsuki whether he works for or with Tobi doesn't matter. I don't want Tobi to be Madara either as that would require another lame immortality jutsu or its equivalent so until we're told Tobi is Madara, Tobi is just TobiQuote:
Originally Posted by Garhert
I'll give you Tsunade her regeneration ability was pretty lame but Orochimaru come on dude he had so many different abilities hence why he was so feared and I don't think Jiraiya went into hermit mode just for that the real battle is just about to begin so just wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by February
So, in the interest of the discussion I should ignore the most obvious answer to your question and instead assume what?Quote:
Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
How's that the most obvious answer?
That's like saying "the most obvious answer to the birth of mankind is God."
You're not providing an argument backed by any amount of evidence or theorems, you're just using a blanket creationist response and saying that because there's a creator who decides the fate of anyone or anything in the series, that its futile for us to come to our own conclusions ahead of time. Even though he has the power to do so, we should still assume that he intends to restrict himself to the rules and story-telling elements he's established from the beginning, and therefore something critical like the ultimate conclusion would not occur between Naruto and some completely new and unjustified villain.
Good thx... that's what I wanted to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdula
But by the way... Tobi act like a fool in my opinion. So I don't want to accept that he is Madara... Madara should be more seriously.
The way it looked at the end of the chapter, when pein summoned those two, it looks they could be hidan and orochimaru, it might just be their bodies being controlled by pein. and about the whole destined child thing, maybe the prophecy had like a second part to it, maybe the old frog forgot to say it.. it is kinda foreshadowed when the other frogs say the old one is really forgetful, it is also foreshadowed that he forgot something by the way he acted, he had a very bad memory. So the second part of the prophecie might be about how if the chosen child turned evil, there might be a person who has to defeat him.
I'm never said anything is futile, you said 'Who could boss Pein around besides Madara?' and my response was basically 'Some as yet unrevealed character'.Quote:
Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
My reasoning is this, if we were having this same discussion a year ago I wouldn't have thought there was a hidden person either at or above the Leaders level guiding the actions. of Akatsuki. But now I no longer trust Kishimoto to stick to telling the story with only known or hinted characters so I will never again discount the possibility that someone new will be introduced to make things even more complicated.
Except the thing with Madara though, is that he's been hinted at since the sasuke chase arc.
no new chapter this week? =/
There was no chapter last week. There should be one this week, unless I'm mistaken. They usually come out by Friday. I expect spoilers will start floating around soon though.Quote:
Originally Posted by February
why does madara has to be serious just because he is a legend? i don't see jiraya being serious all the time...or tsunade...even the third acted a little foolishly remember the harem jutsy naruto used on that juunin while the hogake was watching him with the crystal?i'll say all the strong people act like fools in naruto-world...except kakashi...also acting like a fool is the best way to deceive someone don't you know that?