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Oro 'bleegghhhhh'-ing that uberlong sword out of his throat was definitly a major WTF moment. Didn't see that coming in a thousend years. Otherwise the ep was decent - action was cool, but I don't like the DBZ magnitude of it. Also a lot of flashbacks again and recycled animation. And another 'Walking out of the forest very slowly'-scene :(
How did you not see that coming. Of all the things Oro did thus far that is the one I absolutely knew was going to happen. He's been doing that since we first saw him, remember his fight against Sarutobi or the Sannin battle. Sure the sheer scale and magnitude were different but its the same attack.
Now the one thing I didn't see coming was the punch straight to Naruto's face. Oro is a master of ninjutsu and mostly only uses taijutsu for evasion and even so its his own weird brand of taijutsu. After everything else that happened I really didn't think he would just punch him to the face, the irony was not lost on my part.
For the last time, stop discussing or alluding or comparing fucking DBZ in the Naruto section. WE DON'T CARE!
Now, go and discuss the episode.
oro is truly a skilled ninja. Even if he only showed us simliar techniques, the whole concept of the character like Oro makes you feel like he can regenerate anything and survive through any attack. Very defensive but weird yet amazing jutsus that he pulls off makes me like him better than the other sannins.
You might say that the entire Naruto's huge beam / big crater is kind of over-doing it but you really have to imagine how powerful a miniture Kyuubi would be like, and it makes it more realistic for him to be that strong. After all, Kyuubi is not a ninja in the first place so it shouldn't have normal attacks.
It should be pretty clear that Naruto is no longer in the driver's seat when he gets hit by his own tactic-by that I mean the one he used to beat Neji at the end of his Chuunin match. I'm totally happy with the way this fight crossed over from the manga. Shippuuden's future is looking good. :)
And I almost NEVER smile while typing!
I don't know why you guys are giving crap to Sakura. Like DE said, you should be used to this by now, and if your not don't watch it. Think about it though, this show wouldn't be a whole lot right now without Sakura, not particularly this ep of course, but if they just removed her what would happen? Yeah I know some of you will just say "duh they could kill her off" but its a cliche (and not necessarily a bad one) to have the key cry-baby useless girl, if they didn't have Sakura, hell they may have Ino fill that role...**** that.
Anyways, im now thoroughly convinced Oro is invinsible and they will never kill him by the end of this series. Seriously, other episodes i thought he was ok, but this was just down right amazing.
The DBZ-esk mouth ball thing was my favorite part of the ep, and of course Oro's "owned" position after the dust cleared, I almost died from laughter.
Yes we know characters like Sakura exist for a reason but I think our problem with her or atleast my problem with her is strictly due to the fact that she is a ninja. If she were just a regular 15 year old I wouldn't have so much of a problem but being a "ninja" dictates that you are a badass.
Really there are alot of things that would necessitate Oro's death. Akatsuki completing their goals for example or the leaf ninja finally no longer having the threat of him attacking, looming over their heads. I mean he is immortal if one of them doesn't kill him then he would essentially have an eternity in which to attack them. More importantly there is the little matter of the Uchihas which is why Naruto is what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by fifafreak18
That would never be resolved if someone doesn't do something about him because I highly doubt he would allow Sasuke to be potentially killed in a battle against Itachi since he wants his body so much. Sasuke himself won't willingly give his body to Oro, okay that sounded wrong but you know what I mean. Even if he does I really don't think Oro would be interested in going after Itachi especially if he already possesses the sharingan. Since Itachi already beat him in the past I highly doubt he would want to face him again as that could mean his death whether he has Sasuke's body or not.
Whether Naruto was in control or not he would have been hit by that attack. I mean he is Naruto and I don't think you are suggesting that Naruto is some kind of great attack evading ninja who would recognize that Oro wasn't actually hit by the attack. Are You?Quote:
Originally Posted by DayoftheDante
I think there's more of Naruto in that miniature Kyuubi than you guys think. The giant chakra attack was essentially hundreds of red and blue Rasengans compressed into a black super Rasengan. Even though it's all Kyuubi's chakra (and so his "power"), I don't think the Kyuubi could have done a move like that without Naruto.Quote:
Originally Posted by February
This is pretty obvious, but I think it's kind of cool how whenever Rashoumon gets summoned, the ninja can't merely bite down on just one thumb.
The first time they summoned it, it was those twins from the sound. And now Oro has to bite both thumbs, evidently to direct the angle of the face of the Rashoumon.
Like I said, the ep's a dissapointment... And while it probably is the best fighting scene in Shippuuden, comparing it to previous Naruto battles I think this battle isn't that great at all. Offcourse I'm talking about Naruto here, no complaints about Oro-sama *bows down*. I've seen what Naruto as a anime can be capable off, and this is not "it". I sure as hell would've expected this fight to be more impressive especially with "Ooooeeehhwww, the fourth tail!" *shiver*. Now I know Naruto rules and Kyuubi fourth tail sucks a big deal off Oro's badunkadunk.
So it's that obvious? Or are ya just spilling out some spoilers? Because the chakra balls didn't look like a high-levelled skill such as the Rasengan, but they just looked like... ehhm... "chakra balls".Quote:
Originally Posted by poopdeville
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See any differences? Maybe because the Kyuubi is that powerfull, it is capable of shooting big-ass purple chakra balls at any given time? Sure as heaven that blast was not taught the Kyuubi by Naruto. :rolleyes:
I don't know if you noticed it in the special but Oro kept saying that he's like majorly "intrigued by this kid". So ever since that I've been thinking he's just using this oportunity to fight this four tailed Kyuubi, to satisfy his curiousity (I think he is, btw)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdula
Ya know, hit 'em in the face and see what happens. If Oro was truly serious like against the Third he would've beaten four tails Kyuubi already, IMO. Oro's just playin'.
Edit: Changed my beginning after getting some bad rep :D I was mixing the Bleach 155 post with this ep. Apologies.
See that's what I thought was the problem as well. The timing of the music seemed off. Even the sound effects aren't used properly. When the kyuubi is powering up his rasengan, the liquid sound doesnt work. I always envisioned the chakra as a "flame", where its slowly deteriorating his body, not boiled water. The animation was good, but the sound effects and music should have been used better, and the episode would have worked faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Narasho
Yes I'm well aware of this hence the line "Bow to the greatness of Orochimaru-sama." He is willingly provoking a creature that would have anyone else scared shitless and he isn't even being serious about it either. Just taking his time and drawing it out as much as possible and savoring every second of it. I don't know how anyone could miss that since it was pretty obvious from the beginning that Oro and Kabuto are trying to get as much as possible out of Naruto. In fact Oro said that this battle was going to be a test to see if Naruto had grown as much as Sasuke. Sadly the answer is no but the Kyuubi sure kicks ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa-Eyez
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Originally Posted by Killa-Eyez
This is in no way the best battle we have seen in Naruto. Sure this might be the highest level battle we've seen thus far with Gaara vs Deidara being second but in no way is this the best battle. Excluding Oro all we've seen in this battle is sheer chakra and brute force and no tactics whatsoever, so despite the magnitude of this battle I don't think its anywhere near the best we've seen. Naruto v Sasuke, Third v Oro, Kakashi v Itachi, Kakashi v Zabuza, the sannin battle, I would even consider Naruto vs Neji better than this, This is just a show of force for lack of a better term nothing else. It really is disappointing that with all the potential that the kyuubi possesses that its just a berserker mode after all especially when you consider that there are ninja like Kakashi and Shikamaru whose only limitation is their amount of chakra yet Naruto who has seemingly limitless chakra obly uses it like this. Yeah the kyuubi's chakra cloak is great and all and it does have its advantages like when Oro punched him he was falling backwards and the chakra attacked independently but I would have loved to see what that chakra could do in the hands of someone like Kakashi.
Like Killa-Eyez said are you kidding. First off there is nothing Naruto in there, secondly that was not the rasengan nor did it even resemble it. The rasengan involves the spinning and compresion of chakra there was no spinning involved here and anyone can compress chakra like that if they have the sheer mass required. This in no way resembled the rasengan and I'm sure the Kyuubi who is eons old didn't have to wait for an idiot like Naruto to come along before he learned how to condense, compress and the expel his chakra at an opponent. This is not the rasengan and Naruto himself is not capable of such a thing. Most importantly no matter what form it may be in the rasengan is a ball of compressed chakra, a ball not a beam and secondly it always requires direct contact meaning its strictly a close range attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by poopdeville
The Kyuubi's chakra takes many forms but in its base form it is a boiling liquid mass so the sound effects were okay, the music I don't really care about. Watching this battle the music was the last thing on my mind and its not like Naruto is known for its great music placement.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruccus
While I don't really disagree with this statement I'm not completely sure the Kyuubi could pull off that particular move if not for Naruto or atleast another source of chakra. The reasoning being those blue balls were not Kyuubi chakra and it seems odd it would have used two types like that if it didn't need to do so. As such I assume the blue balls are actually Naruto's natural chakra as its always been shown blue with the Kyuubi being red instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdula
Purely speculation of course as we have no way to prove or disprove it,
Give me a break. Oro was even less serious in his fight against the Third. Maybe the moment when his hands began to rot he was serious for the first time in that fight. Before that, he just smoked his cigars at leisure while the Third was fighting against his deus ex zombies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa-Eyez
And it surely didn't seem to me like he would have had any special ways to immediately defeat four tails. He didn't have any super zombies at hand and as we saw the mini-kyuubi was perfectly capable of disintegrating anything it touched. Oro was never in any truly real danger because he could have withdrawn at any point as the kyuubi was content at standing still, but that doesn't mean defeating it would have been that easy.
He said best battle in Shippuuden, not best battle in Naruto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdula
Ohh, I'm gonna have to disagree there big time. I think that, normally, Naruto uses music better than any other anime I've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdula
The outcome of this fight will be saying a lot about the respective powers of the characters involved....not only of that of kyubi and Oro but also of Jiraiya, who almost died to the 4th tail.
Oro does seem like he's playing around, but I'm sure his skill is not so much farther than Jiraiya's.
No way! Naruto had one of the best music in an anime and was used at all the appropriate times. They fit in perfectly. The music would give me the chills and get me all excited like "OH SHIIETTT!!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdula
Shippuuden has been lacking a lot though.
Cool episode, but why is the kyuubi so content on just standing around? I mean we all know it's capable of moving pretty fast, hell just an episode ago it bitch slapped oro in a blink of an eye yet it just stands still now? oh well. The triple rashoumon was cool but why did the rashoumon look so gay? when the twins used it, it looked like a real hells gate but when oro summoned it, it looked like those rock blocks from mario. You know the ones that try to squish you when you get too close lol.
All in all decent episode but i miss the battles from the old naruto before shippuuden. The music so far has really been lacking, i remember when it used to give you chills back in the old naruto when they used to time it perfectly for the badass battle to come. the animation was great in this episode i hope they keep it up. oro is badass to the max but i want kyuubi to make him squirm some. too much staring from the kyuubi for my liking. I mean he swung his arm once and created a mini nuke explosion how about he run after oro and make oro work for his life heh. only thing i didn't really like was the mario block rashoumon other than that nice episode.
Decent t episode. I don't like all this massive chakra thing - That's what Bleach is for. I miss the 'ninja' battles. Tactic and combining techniques. Well, this is Naruto fighting so I shouldn't expect this, hope Shikamaru shows up soon (doubt it). :P
About Kyuubi just standing there, didn't they say that that the enormous chakra made it hard to move?
Why don't they use Orochimaru's theme song from the original episodes? It was so cool, srsly, and I don't think I've heard it once in the Shippuden episodes. :(
As for the episode itself, I thought it was pretty good. Decent action, not too many "omg freezeframe on a shocked character's face" moments, and a pretty solid sequence overall. Haven't read this chapter in the manga in forever, though, so I can't remember exactly how much is manga material... but whatever, they pulled it off pretty well.
I hope they keep this decent streak for the next arc, because if I recall correctly that one is badass and if they screwed it up I think I'd stop watching for a while.