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I've said this before and I'll say it again. I think you're smoking something, I'll ignore the latter half of your post and ask what the hell makes you think an Akatsuki would fall for a transformation technique. Anyone above genin level recognizes it right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
People see through transformation techniques when there is some flaw in the transformation, not because high level people just automatically see through them.
They see through them because they are a puddle when it hasn't rained, or because they are a person and they missed a scar.
But changing into shrub in a place full of shrubs shouldn't pose a problem unless the people you're trying to fool have been there before and notice a shrub that wasn't there before.
I thought transforming into the door they blew down was an especially smart move.
No I don't think its as simple as there not being a flaw in the transformation. To pull it off properly you have to be able to hide your chakra and completely remove your presence, which most people aren't able to do. So higher level ninjas would be able to sense them even if they don't know exactly where they are.
so if it's soooo difficult why don't they just stand in front of the house and wait?
oh and why didn't hidan notice team asuma?
oh and why didn't shikamaru and the others notice Kakuzu?
if henge no jutsu is useless I don't know why it has to be learned by every ninja...
and btw, you don't even know if most people are able to hide their chakra or not...
we havn't seen much more than genin fighting each other
and we've seen many ninja @ chuunin level or higher using Henge no Jutsu, so it can't be that useless
this isn't DBZ... at least not yet
I thought I clicked on Naruto, not Bleach. Sorry I'll just back away slowly...
Damn. That makes a lot of sense - using Naruto logic. I can really see this happen now, and I don't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthEnder
If I were Naruto, I wouldn't spend time trying to invent a Superrasengan - something apparently Kakashi and the Forth failed to do. I would rather focus on learning to do Rasengan with one hand - for both hands. And practice taijutsu like crazy (seriously, Naruto hasn't even surpassed Sasuke's taijutsu from the Chuunin exam times). Then I could play around and cut leaves and waterfalls.
I fail to see why you need a more powerful Rasengan when you can't even land a hit with the regular one.
Naruto, chapter 008 (roughly episode six)Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Sakura, sensing for Kakashi's presence. Kakashi hiding it.
my hobby: going into anime discussions, and saying anime crap is even lamer than manga junk.
I'm DBZ, and I approve of this message.
It was actually Sasuke sensing for Kakashi, and I am thinking of it as more of a perception thing rather than a DBZ powerlevel - chakra sensing thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Death BOO Z
No it is like a DBZ power level thing/chakra sensing thing, this series is based on DBZ remember.. There were numerous, numerous times where people mentioned someone elses crazy charka level. Kakashi and Zabuza the first time Naruto went Kyuubi, Kiba and Akamaru when they first met Gaara, those anbu guys mentioned that Oro's and the Third's chakra was so strong they could hardly move, Kisame. I could go on and on, how you guys don't remember this stuff is beyond me. Its not as ridiculous as it was in DBZ though but its there.
I was going to find a reference but I just decided to ignore Kray because he has been getting on my nerves lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Death BOO Z
This I can explain easy enough but just keep watching and you should get itQuote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
As for you wondering why every ninja would need to learn a useless skill, do you happen to remember why Naruto couldn't graduate the academy. Yeah thats right because to become a genin you have to be able to use clone jutsu, now you tell me that technique isn't useless.Quote:
if henge no jutsu is useless I don't know why it has to be learned by every ninja...
and btw, you don't even know if most people are able to hide their chakra or not...
we havn't seen much more than genin fighting each other
-Oh don't hold it against me if I'm coming off a little rough because I'm in a bad mood.
Oh wow. I already said I was in a bad mood, way to go.Quote:
Douche
DBZ and Abdula already answered this for me. Thanks playas.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Cause in the manga it took 5 seconds for him to clip asuma and start the damn ritual. Not 10 mins.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
The really goofy part of the whole thing as far as I am concerned is that Naruto CAN (if memory serves) use rasengan without a clone. I haven't kept all the back episodes, so I can't go back and watch to double check without redownloading, but I'm almost positive that he used it successfuly back when he was first learning it without a clone - he needed both hands, but not a clone. It wasn't until he immobilized his off-hand by using it to catch a kunai while fighting... damn... the Oro medical ninja with glasses whose name I just went completely blank on for some reason, during the fight between Oro, Tsunade, and Jiraya that he used a clone to make it, since his other hand was occupied at the time. But ever since then, even when he has had both hands free, he's used a clone every friggin' time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdula
Why the heck can't I remember that guy's name? Mutter...
The guy you're thinking of is Kabuto. And you're right he has made it without a clone before, however he does need both hands. The only exception to this is when he fought Sasuke at the valley of the end, although he was in Kyuubi mode when he done it with only one hand and no clones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azonalanthious
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Originally Posted by Abdula
well that were all scenes when chakra was leaking out and they were actually fighting and concentrating
none of these tell us if it's possible to sense each other this way if they don't fight and the chakra is inside the body.
it's not that we don't remember it, it's just that you rip everything out of content...
And Kiba and Akamaru are not able to "sense" chakra but they can smell it... (so it's not really a "feeling") Akamaru is a Ninja-dog who is especially trained for something like this. As I said before, why would they need Ninja-dogs and Charka-sensing bugs (for example) for something like this then. It's because they can't sense people if they arn't fighting or doing something which requires alot of chakra... and the very small amout which is (maybe) always leaking out of a human being is what ninja-dogs can "smell" but humans can't sense
edit: oh fuck sry doublepost
Didn't Sasuke sense Oro hiding underground when they first met during the second part of the chuunin exam? I don't think he was using his sharingan at the time or anything...
I thought that was more of a observation, I mean there was a bamboo stick coming from under the ground...Quote:
Originally Posted by Assertn
Not to mention they have talked about "killer intent" on this show. So that could be something that they sense as well.
See this is why I say this guy is getting on my nerves. I'm not ripping anything out of context, other people have confirmed it but yet you still want to argue, it makes absolutely no sense to me. Anyway I'm not going to be combing through the series to find more proof to convince you of anything. Just keep watching it'll happen again. Btw are you trying to argue that yes ninjas can sense chakra when they're fighting but they can't sense it otherwise. Because then I can just say that of course if they are not fighting and the person is not actively using their chakra its going to be more difficult to sense them but that doesn't mean its impossible. That is why being able to sense chakra is important and this all started because I mentioned that people actually need to have the ability to hide their chakra.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Yes ninjas can sense chakra and ninja dogs can't smell chakra only Akamaru did that, that one time. Ninja dogs are used like bloodhounds to track down ninjas by their smell, even though ninjas can sense other ninjas they of course wouldn't be able to do that unless they are nearby. Oh and Shino doesn't use his bugs just to sense chakra, the bugs actually feed on chakra if you remember.Quote:
And Kiba and Akamaru are not able to "sense" chakra but they can smell it... (so it's not really a "feeling") Akamaru is a Ninja-dog who is especially trained for something like this. As I said before, why would they need Ninja-dogs and Charka-sensing bugs (for example) for something like this then. It's because they can't sense people if they arn't fighting or doing something which requires alot of chakra... and the very small amout which is (maybe) always leaking out of a human being is what ninja-dogs can "smell" but humans can't sense
I gotta say you're one stubborn guy.
oh ya sure, if 2 people say the same thing they must be right, I've forgotten thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Abdula
You havn't proven anything yet so before you can find "more" you have to find something at first.Quote:
Anyway I'm not going to be combing through the series to find more proof to convince you
of anything.
You have proven that you are right, when you have proven that I'm wrong.
All the examples you gave in which people suceeded noticing someones presence was when people were fighting each other... that doesn't mean it's possible if they are not fighting
it doesn't mean it's impossible but it alos doesn't mean its possibleQuote:
Btw are you trying to argue that yes ninjas can sense chakra when they're fighting but they can't sense it otherwise. Because then I can just say that of course if they are not fighting and the person is not actively using their chakra its going to be more difficult to sense them but that doesn't mean its impossible.
if no chakra is leaking out, or it's only very small amount it could be that humans arn't able to notice it or at least most likely not.
simple isn't it? there are a lot of think people can't or don't notice, even though they are there
that doesn't really mean he doesn't use them to find enemy ninjas, because if they feed on chakra it most likely means that they can sense it. otherwise they wouldn't be able to find preyQuote:
the bugs actually feed on chakra if you remember.
Its 3 people actually but the number isn't the point. I doubt you would change your mind even if it was 100 people, as long as its in opposition to meQuote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
Its not for lack of proof, the proof is there I assure you, its just that I have no interest in wasting my time going over hundreds of chapters or episodes to find something to satisfy you. It really isn't important to me whether you believe me or not and like I said it'll happen again but if you can't wait then you can go to onemanga and read the entire series from the very beginning and find it yourself.:rolleyes:Quote:
You havn't proven anything yet so before you can find "more" you have to find something at first
:rolleyes:Quote:
it doesn't mean it's impossible but it alos doesn't mean its possible
Wow, when you see someone on the street use a water dragon then we can talk. Anyway that is exactly why people need to be good at not only sensing but hiding their chakra.Quote:
if no chakra is leaking out, or it's only very small amount it could be that humans arn't able to notice it or at least most likely not.
simple isn't it?
I never said he can't use them to find other ninjas, like you said since they do in fact feed on chakra they would be able to sense it easier than any human can.Quote:
that doesn't really mean he doesn't use them to find enemy ninjas, because if they feed on chakra it most likely means that they can sense it. otherwise they wouldn't be able to find prey
Always with the edits, anyway like I said I really don't care. As a matter of fact if it'll make you feel better I'll just say, I am wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by KrayZ33
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Originally Posted by Abdula
no but it would make me feel better if you say that "you can't be sure"
because you can't know it and thats exactly my point.
and that's why I'm saying "it doesn't mean it's impossible but it also doesn't mean its possible "...
I don't argue with you because I hate you or anything but because of your "what I'm saying is right and can't possibly be wrong" attitude, thats all
and don't try to tell me that you don't have that attitude... I'm not denying that I like to argue either
there will be a time when I can show you that even you, are not all-knowing xD
ya who cares there are 3 people saying it doesn't necessarily mean that they can sense each other because of chakraQuote:
Its 3 people actually but the number isn't the point. I doubt you would change your mind even if it was 100 people, as long as its in opposition to me