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Originally Posted by DarthEnder
Maybe because it looked incredibly retarded the way he kept dodging his own friends? Besides he'll probably finish the running with his new wind rasengan when it's introduced to the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdula
Orochimaru seemed very certain that Tsunade could heal him, even Jiraya was and those 2 were the ones who best knew her abilities other than herselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Abdula
Ino takes over Hidan. Inodan attacks Kakuzu. Kakuzu breaks free and stabs InoDan in the face. Ino dies and Hidan lives on.
Brilliant plan. To be honest, do we even know if Ino is strong enough to control either of them? She failed against Sakura didn't she? Sakura.
Kakashi uses MS on Kakuzu. Kakuzu dodges. Kakuzu kills Kakashi as he is incapacitated.
Brilliant plan.
Hahahaha, alrighty. How about we use logic next time pal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uberbaka
Kakashi only needs to land one MS to kill if they are stationary, do you remember how long Kakuzu was stationary? Also, do you happen to remember how many times he used it in one day before? Once wouldn't incapacitate him.
Why would Kakuzu break free? The whole point of using Ino is so that Shikamaru could focus on one of them, that would mean he would be controlling him. A hand wouldn't be able to simply knock him away like a Chakara blade. Also it is a leap of logic to assume Kakuzu would attempt to kill Hidan right away if he broke free, even if he has an idea that it would kill the controller.
Don't argue just to argue, you're bad at it.
So this post is filled with your "logic"? Wow...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessper
Kakashi has an incredibly small amount of chakra but he's still one of the best ninjas in Konoha because he uses it wisely.
If he used MS in the beginning of the battle and it failed, even if he didn't become a useless lump that would still take many powerful moves off the table, as lets say the raikiri.
Your strategy fails since the moment shikamaru tried to get kakuzu with his shadow he would use the hand on the ground to remove the blade and then both hidan and him would be free.
If you have a plan you stick with it, you don't use powerful moves right from the beginning when you have no idea what your opponent is capable of.
But the fact is he didn't. Tsunade is the greatest medical ninja in the world so if anyone could have healed him it would have been her. He didn't know whether she could do it or not but he was willing to try but I doubt it would have worked since his problem wasn't medical. You know the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Archangel
@Jessper: :rolleyes: :p
But Kakuzu is fast, Raikiri wouldn't work against him according to you people. I think that killing one of them outright is a good use of his chakra.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Archangel
He could have continued the shadow he was sending at them when he threw the blades, then he has him. This genius didn't account for intimate objects being vulnerable, nice. ;) Plus how in the world would Hidan be free, Kakuzu? Just as free as Hidan is now...Quote:
Your strategy fails since the moment shikamaru tried to get kakuzu with his shadow he would use the hand on the ground to remove the blade and then both hidan and him would be free.
This is the best part of your guy's arguement, I'm not saying deviate from the plan, I'm saying he could have made a better plan. They have a pretty good idea of what these two are capable of (obviously not everything) and that is enough to know that they shouldn't give them a chance to do anything.Quote:
If you have a plan you stick with it, you don't use powerful moves right from the beginning when you have no idea what your opponent is capable of.
Hidan was right in the very beginning when he said they were screwed, they should have been but Shikamaru wanted to test the waters by fighting solo against them. Just like when they caught Hidan the first time except they have techniques that do a bit more damage this time.
Clearly the better idea is to have Shikamaru go all out to start the fight so that in 2 episodes we can hear again about how he doesn't have much chakara.
Thus, though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays.
You consider the haste I describe stupid but waiting certainly isn't clever.
Okay two things. First of all Kakashi's MS isn't that powerful, it took all he had just to remove Deidara's elbow and unlike Deidara, if Kakashi uses it on Kakuzu, Kakuzu isn't just going to stand around wondering what the hell is happening to him.
SecondlyYou're selling Shikamaru short, if you think thats all there is to his plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessper
Jessper should be a writer for the series. I would love to see more akatsuki vanish anticlimactically within the first few seconds of appearing due to a broke MS jutsu.
Oh I'm not, I know that he has all sorts of tricks that we will see for every situation. I'm saying that finishing them fast before we get to see what all Kakuzu can do (since I'm fairly sure we've seen Hidan's big surprise and if nothing else Kakuzu's moves will be more impressive than anything he has left).
I think Kakashi's MS is his strongest move, and that only makes sense given when we saw it. Certainly it seems to do more damage then Rakiri, why cut a hole with a jab when you can plant the MS on the center mass and destroy them completely (but perhaps I am overestimating this, I just don't think so)? Also, I never said to do MS while Kakuzu is moving but in the short time that they had them still. Deidara only got away because he was moving, I'll bet it does enormous damage when Kakashi can make sure it is on target.
Haha, I was going to mention that they only reason they were not killed outright is so we can see Kakuzu fight and it wouldn't be as entertaining. I think that they shouldn't have let Shikamaru catch them like that right off the bat because it really should have been the end. If they wanted to do it Kakuzu should have broken out instantly. Shikamaru shouldn't have wasted time letting them in on his ability, it was like something out of a movie with the bad guy letting the hero know how everything is going to go down which is why he loses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Assertn
It has the potential to be his strongest move, but he is no Uchiha and he hasn't perfected it yet. Secondly as we saw with Deidara it isn't instantaneous, it actually takes some time and with Kakuzu's speed not to mention his reach plus the fact that unlike Deidara, Kakuzu isn't alone. Its just not a good idea
Plus even if he succeeds and takes out Kakuzu, he would be out of chakra and Hidan would still be there. Bottom line is, Kakashi's MS is not something he'll use except as a last resort and its not something to use if he's facing multiple opponents.
Right, it isn't instant but they had all this prep time, they were ambushing them and had them still. If they had wanted to do it he had plenty of time to get ready.
Even if Kakashi would be useless with just Hidan left I'm sure that they would be better off with 3 of them vs Hidan as opposed to 4 of them vs Hidan and Kakuzu.
I see you don't listen to reason. Oh well, never mind then. Anyway, I highly doubt Kakashi's MS could take out Kakuzu.
great episode, keep em coming
Finally a few episodes which are really worth while
I still contend it is his most powerful technique, if it can't do it then I'll bet we are going to have to wait for some Naruto action. Wearing these two down doesn't seem possible for people that we have seen are no where near their level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdula
Overall my point is that Kakuzu and Hidan shouldn't have gotten in such a desperate situation to begin with, if they did they should have lost given the factors we saw here. That is unless Kakuzu is even more immortal than Hidan (maybe he can separate his head too and just command his body from underground!).
Thinking about it maybe (real big maybe here) Kakuzu's body hardening could stop Kakashi's MS. Perhaps we have been lead astray in regards to how strong his MS is...
Still I don't think this fight should have started with these two being helpless for a while.
I'm pretty sure Kakuzu could have freed himself at any time, and the only reason it took so long was because he wanted to pretend he was trapped by the enemy to see what their strategy will be.
Oh, but they weren't helpless. Hidan is an idiot and immortal so let's disregard him and Kakuzu was never helpless. From the time Shikamaru threw the first kunai, Kakuzu sent his arm underground so in actuality he was never caught in Shikamaru's shadow bind and could have gotten away any time he chose. I'd say he was purposely leaving himself open so that if someone had attacked then, he would have gotten the jump on them which is why Shikamaru using Hidan to attack instead was brilliant.
@Above, posted at the exact same time, huh.:D
He moved pretty far, I'll cede that his arm could have gotten to him instantly but regardless the other team members stealth would have been vital here, they have long range attacks that unless you see them ramping up are unavoidable (nothing moving once it has started so you can't dodge it by noticing it at that point).
Shikamaru's shadow was pretty close to them when the blades landed as well, it would have been more interesting to see if Kakuzu could have reacted quickly enough after they landed to the shadow getting to him.
that was dumb how Shikamaru stood there and explained his entire strategy to the Akatsuki guys. and it was annoying how we're still getting Asume flashbacks...
but I think other than that, it was a good episode. it seemed like it ended so suddenly to me.
I think it's more correct to say he stood there and explained it to us. I'd rather he does it now (and we go "oh, so that's why, pretty neat") rather than fight, and spend an episode after the fight going through how they did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandadice
Hidan really sucks, relying to much on Kakuzu... Ok, his techniques are great, but without Kakuzu it would be very different. Maybe that's why they are teamed up.
If you look at the fact that Chouji was able to attack, this means that one of the many strategies Shika had was the breaking loose from of Kakuzu from the jutsu. This means he's taken that into account. And now what's left is the different strategy that should be implemented by Kakashi and Ino.
Kakuzu said that things doesn't always go according to plan. But I think that Shikamaru had every possible outcome covered, that's prob why the other teammembers had to memorize all the different strategies. Let's see what happens next week.
I took the advise and didn't look at the preview of next week.