Naruto Chapter 438

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Originally Posted by RyougaZell

Talk about being ignored...

Guys... Naruto BLEW UP THE HOKAGE MONUMENT... isn't THAT place the refugee for civilians?

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Don't want to be ignored? Than stop being an annoying lil bitch about Hinata being alive when we all know that of it was any of your tsunderes you'd be bleeding out of you vagina you god dam fanboy!

/flaming douchebag

Oh and i don't think that's where Konoha's "bunker" is located, that was just in the filler arcs. When orochimaru attacked the village they just went somewhere underground.

Hinata is alive, yay.

It does sound kinda stupid that Pain would leave her alive, but than again maybe he planned on torture her a little bit so Naruto would know true pain.
That explanation suits me just fine anyway, anything to get my girl back in the picture

Well, for one, the Kyuubi is a smart little devil. It's not having any of that wood sealing shit this time around, so it destroyed that necklace right away.

If Hinata survives because she used her chakra to protect herself, it would be ok. But well, I don't believe that characters dying is necessarily a good writing device to evoke a certain emotion so yeah. I don't care for deaths just for the sake of death.

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Originally Posted by FireEmblem

It's not having any of that wood sealing shit this time around, so it destroyed that necklace right away.

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That was the most interesting part of the chapter to me besides Pain getting owned a bit and running away. The necklace was trying to trap him and calm him down, and he just denied it asap. Plus it was like a jutsu emergency alarm on him already. I don't know it just looked sweet. Anyone else reminded of Jiraiyas lion mane technique a bit? I don't think that he'll be changing back any time soon this time around. The only thing that can stop him, is if Yamato gets back in time and tries some major 1st wood jutsu from behind on Naruto.

Also, does anyone know whats up with the skeleton? I just started reading again, so whats the deal with that? Did they explain that at all? Does it have something to do with the six tails or something?

Kyuubi is forming around him more and more the more tails he spawns.

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Originally Posted by Dansetsu

Yamato gets back in time and tries some major 1st wood jutsu from behind on Naruto.

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wood - from behind


On topic: I doubt he'll be able to control Naruto...I think he's reached the point of no return.

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Originally Posted by Death BOO Z

further more, on the case of p04 bottom panels. it looks like a flash move. the frickin' long awaited golden flash move.

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Nah, it's def not a flash technique. It's just hard to follow what is happening because its still frames. It will be clear when it gets animated. But, it seems to me like he kind of used the bone legs to fling or catapult himself at Pein.

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Originally Posted by Sidnne

seems to me like he kind of used the bone legs to fling or catapult himself at Pein.

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That's it what it seems to be to me too. If that's the case though, he's a hell of an opponent for even pain to deal with now.

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Well, in that case, unless sasuke or Madara are coming back to help Yamato, naruto's going to go godzilla and just keep growing more tails at this point. Like most people said if he's past the point of no return then he'll just be getting stronger and stronger from this point on.

Also, no one has theorized on what will happen if he goes full 9 tails and just keeps forming the fox. Will Kyuubi just kill naruto? Would it be like the 8 tails bull was and form a giant fox like it did for the octo bull? I mean this is kind of a first for us to see. So I don't think he'll keep going. Plus, why would Kishi send Yamato in with 6 tails alarming him? He wouldn't be going in if he was unable to do something. I think even with 8 tails Yamato would be going back. He's the only one that can stop him now other than running out of chakra or just getting tired. Neither of which I can see happening. In conclusion unless this is the end all be all battles or just a hint of more to come, then I can see him going more and more nuts and growing more tails. If not then I Yamato, Pain or someone or thing is going to stop him in the next chapter. He won't stay like this for long.

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Don't want to be ignored? Than stop being an annoying lil bitch about Hinata being alive when we all know that of it was any of your tsunderes you'd be bleeding out of you vagina you god dam fanboy!

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"Don`t be a Tsunade fanboy! *Becomes a Hinata fanboy*" is all i saw.

Bleh... so Hinata is alive, made so much sense killing her for me >_>

probably.

when Gaara went all out (one tail) he transformed into the sand tanuki. when kllerbee went all out, he transformed into octo-bull. so it makes sense Naruto going all out will bring out the demon fox.

as for the crazy madness berserk rage, I think it might not be be a property of the fox, at least not directly. Shukaku and octobull have bad tempers, but aren't destruction crazed. maybe it's because the ying-yang seal on naruto (which separated the good chackra from the bad, making the fox uncontrollable), or maybe it's a lasting effect from madare's sharingan shanningans. when naruto (and Sasuke, though I wish to forget that part) talk with the kyuubi, he's rather intelligent, and somewhat talkative.

maybe it's just that Naruto didn't have enough practice with Kyuubi transformations, but seeing how madly different killer bee is, I think it's something else. something more sinister and plot connected.

Shukaku was totally a destruction/murder crazed beast.

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Originally Posted by poopdeville

Shukaku was totally a destruction/murder crazed beast.

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No, he wasn't. Not in the sense that Naruto is while in Kyuubi mode.

Shuukaku was evil and loved chaos, but he was aware of what he was doing and could think and speak; he had a consciousness. When Naruto goes Kyuubi, he doesn't speak or think, he just growls and roars and goes off in a blind fit of rage and attacks anything and anyone; he has no consciousness and doesn't remember anything afterwards..

This is splitting hairs. So the Shukaku has talked. The only thing it said was "I want to kill you!" and "You bastard, I was finally free!" to Gama Bunta.

The Shukaku went on a blind fit of rage and attacked the first thing it saw. Gaara didn't remember what the Shukaku did while it was free, either. He was asleep!

Whether it has consciousness or not is moot. Especially since we've already seen the Kyuubi act "consciously" (in a much more sophisticated manner), inside Sasuke and Naruto's head. For example, when Naruto extorts it (by threatening to die, taking the Kyuubi with him), or when the Kyuubi talked about Madara's chakra.

I still don't understand why pein goes to all this trouble. He can pretty much do wut he did in konoha, make a little commotion, the village send out the civilians and pein then can use shinra tensei. do this in every village, pein dies, ppl of different village unite and bam tempo peace.

Think Kishi really messed up on the power/destruction lvl of shinra tensei. Watch inorder to solve the destroyed village problem Kishi will make danzo raise a new city from underground, and the explanation for why such a thing exist is given by back up from when oro attacked the village when they were repairing the city they made one under it for when if such thing happen again they have it ready.

Man, WTF. Kyuubi being led into a trap confirmed.

Hinata better ride that cock hard for all the trouble she's giving Naruto now.

Awesome chapter. I am really enjoying it. I wonder if Naruto is totally overwhelmed by the Kyubbi or if he is still subconsciously there and able to control him...I would be interested in seeing if he can use his sage techniques while in that mode...

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Originally Posted by digitalrurouni

Awesome chapter. I am really enjoying it. I wonder if Naruto is totally overwhelmed by the Kyubbi or if he is still subconsciously there and able to control him...I would be interested in seeing if he can use his sage techniques while in that mode...

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Yeah, i'm sure the raging demon fox should be able to sit still while having a nice cup of Earl Grey and collect all the necessary nature energy to perform sage jutsus.

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Originally Posted by poopdeville

This is splitting hairs. So the Shukaku has talked. The only thing it said was "I want to kill you!" and "You bastard, I was finally free!" to Gama Bunta.

The Shukaku went on a blind fit of rage and attacked the first thing it saw.

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Do you suppose that's because the first thing he saw was the guy he was fighting?

I don't think you understand the concept of a blind fit of rage. Shuukaku enjoys violence and destruction. He was aware of his actions. What we saw from Shuukaku was not blind rage, but his personality. And until he was fully transformed, we still saw Gaara's personality.

The difference with Naruto going into kyuubi-mode like this is that there is no awareness of his actions, by Naruto or seemingly by Kyuubi. We don't see the personality of of Naruto or the personality of Kyuubi. All there is is rage, neither being seems to be in control or making conscious decisions.

I don't know how I can make that any clearer.

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Gaara didn't remember what the Shukaku did while it was free, either. He was asleep!

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This is not about Gaara. Gaara at that point wasn't the one fighting; that was entirely Shuukaku. He deliberately released Shuukaku and let him take over by using a sleep jutsu. But, through the various stages of transformation, Gaara was still Gaara.

In Naruto's case, this is still Naruto in the various stages of his transformation. It's not completely Kyuubi. Even with only 4 tails, and without completely transforming into Kyuubi, Naruto isn't in control of his own actions or decisions.

But the fact Gaara is asleep while Shuukaku is free is counterproductive to whatever argument you think you're trying to make. Gaara would have an excuse for not remembering. Naruto is still awake.

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Whether it has consciousness or not is moot.

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No... its not moot... its the basis of the argumentative differences between Naruto in kyuubi-mode and the other jinchuuriki.

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Especially since we've already seen the Kyuubi act "consciously" (in a much more sophisticated manner), inside Sasuke and Naruto's head. For example, when Naruto extorts it (by threatening to die, taking the Kyuubi with him), or when the Kyuubi talked about Madara's chakra.

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This is the exact point that Death Boo was trying to make... so what exactly are you arguing?

I don't see how Yamato is going to be able to seal Naruto. Ignoring the fact that Kyuubi-Naruto obviously isn't going to cooperate he still has Pein to deal with. Though on second thought having Yamato sealing the Kyuubi would work in Pein's favor but I can't see Yamato being that stupid. Hopefully Sasuke doesn't show up and shut Naruto down with his magic Kyuubi supressing Sharingan. That would be complete shit.

Didn't think Pain would botch up killing Hinata.

I'm finding it hard to believe he didn't deliver the fatal stab considering all the experience he's had killing people.

Other than that, awesome chapter.

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Originally Posted by Sidnne

Do you suppose that's because the first thing he saw was the guy he was fighting?

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Indeed, I do. But it is important to realize that Shukaku WASN'T fighting them until he saw them, and that it picked a fight with the FIRST thing it saw. The Shukaku wasn't released until Gaara went to sleep. Shukaku wasn't "mad" at Naruto or Bunta. He just flipped out when he saw them. It could have been Monkey D. Luffy making out with the second Kazekage, and Shukaku would said "I AM GOING TO KILL YOU!" It could have been ANYBODY, and he would have tried to squash it. All he wanted to do was to kill. That is blind rage in my book. Again, it seems to me that you are trying to split a hair: he talked. Big deal. He was in a "blind rage" too.

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I don't think you understand the concept of a blind fit of rage. Shuukaku enjoys violence and destruction. He was aware of his actions. What we saw from Shuukaku was not blind rage, but his personality. And until he was fully transformed, we still saw Gaara's personality.

The difference with Naruto going into kyuubi-mode like this is that there is no awareness of his actions, by Naruto or seemingly by Kyuubi. We don't see the personality of of Naruto or the personality of Kyuubi. All there is is rage, neither being seems to be in control or making conscious decisions.

I don't know how I can make that any clearer.

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Well, you keep saying the same things. And none of them answer why you think this: "The difference with Naruto going into kyuubi-mode like this is that there is no awareness of his actions, by Naruto or seemingly by Kyuubi.", when we HAVE seen Kyuubi's personality. "You're weak. You can't do anything without me", it has told Naruto.

You seem to want to say that the Kyuubi is like a growling wild animal, and the Shukaku was like a fucked up person. And that this somehow makes one have "blind rage" and the other "a quirky personality".

Talk of personalities is confusing everything. All they want to do is fuck shit up.

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This is the exact point that Death Boo was trying to make... so what exactly are you arguing?

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I thought the point Death Boo was trying to make was about Naruto's seal, and what the Kyuubi's behavior reveals about it. And my point was that it really doesn't reveal much, because (1) his characterization of Shukaku as "not a raging beast" seems wrong to me, and (2) Naruto is obviously pissed, and not in the mood to talk. He talked to Sasuke while transforming.

I didn't mention this point, but Killabee/Octobull makes this whole thing even more confusing, since now there are THREE known jinchuuriki/bijuu pairs that pretty much act completely differently. (Though I think Naruto is probably closer to being like Killabee/Octobull than Gaara/Shukaku -- it seems like Killabee tamed Octobull. At the time the Shukaku came out, Gaara had long lost that battle. Who knows if he did during the time-jump.)