Naruto Shippuuden Episode 126

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

Nah, what I think will happen is that he'll have an epic fight with Pain and win. Then, when he's either about to kill him or extract information from him, Madara appears and Jiraiya's dead before you know it. It's both awesome (because he's above Pain) and "F*CK!!" at the same time.

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We have no idea how tough Pain is, though, so Jiraiya beating him wouldn't necessarily be that awesome. We have only heard nobody has beaten Pain before. That doesn't need to mean anything but that the man has chosen his opponents wisely in the past. Although never having lost is a weakness in itself.

Thus it would be more worthwhile if Pain slays Jiraiya and then comes after Naruto, because that would definitely put Naruto against a real, proven mofo as I doubt Jiraiya will go down without a fight.

Maybe we would get to see (and hear) again Naruto's wind rasengan that his pitifully envious peers and superiors don't want to see again due to its power.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

We have no idea how tough Pain is, though, so Jiraiya beating him wouldn't necessarily be that awesome. We have only heard nobody has beaten Pain before. That doesn't need to mean anything but that the man has chosen his opponents wisely in the past. Although never having lost is a weakness in itself.

Thus it would be more worthwhile if Pain slays Jiraiya and then comes after Naruto, because that would definitely put Naruto against a real, proven mofo as I doubt Jiraiya will go down without a fight.

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I actually forgot all that stuff about Pain being undefeated. Now that you reminded me, Pain killing Jiraiya does sound more interesting, mainly because then Naruto becomes the one to take down the undefeated one.

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Originally Posted by DarthEnder

I wonder why Naruto uses his moms surname instead of his fathers.

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I'm sure that's the only surname he knows

Why would he even know that one? I mean, I assume they were both dead before he was old enough remember them or else he'd have, I dunno, a picture or something?

I always assumed the Third gave him that name. Before Ibuki, basically no one gave a shit about him, right? Being an orphan with a demon fox no one wants anything to do with, again the responsibility lands in the lap of the Hokage on duty.

You mean Iruka-sensei?

I agree that it was probably the Third's doing.

Yes, I meant Iruka. Thought it didn't sound quite right.

(Haha, imagime Ibuki as a parent. You wouldn't get away with lying. :p )

Maybe the 4th wanted Naruto to use his mother's name because she died giving birth to him, or died shortly after his birth or something. Seems like something a father would do. Would also take care of the 'you want to do what?!' response he would get asking her to let him 'seal the demon fox in our son'. Though likely since he was hokage there would be little objection anyways.

Would be nice if we found out more in the Jiraiya Special, though I'm not counting on it.

Was it ever told why the 4th didn't seal the kyuubi inside his own body like the third did with Oro's arm?

Was it that he wanted Konoha to have a bijuu as a weapon like the other villages?

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Originally Posted by ASSpirine

Was it that he wanted Konoha to have a bijuu as a weapon like the other villages?

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That was the point, I'm pretty sure.

Right at the beginning, they also said something about how the Fox was so evil and all that it couldn't be sealed in just anybody, and had to be sealed in a baby because it was pure of heart.

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

That was the point, I'm pretty sure.

Right at the beginning, they also said something about how the Fox was so evil and all that it couldn't be sealed in just anybody, and had to be sealed in a baby because it was pure of heart.

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I don't remember that. When did they mention it?

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Originally Posted by Archangel

I don't remember that. When did they mention it?

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Like the first episode or something? I forgot.

I can't recall that ever being mentioned actually...

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Originally Posted by ASSpirine

I can't recall that ever being mentioned actually...

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eh. Maybe I'm making up memories again.

edit: That, or I confused it with something. Most likely Kyou Kara Maou.

Well, Kakashi (or Yamato) said that Naruto was the only person who could hold the Kyuubi and not rely on it.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/299/11/

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Originally Posted by poopdeville

Well, Kakashi (or Yamato) said that Naruto was the only person who could hold the Kyuubi and not rely on it.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/299/11/

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Goddam shitty advice. It's so ugly when those Konoha people are so envious of Kyuubi's powers. Too bad Naruto is so stupid that he will listen to them and believe every word.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

Goddam shitty advice. It's so ugly when those Konoha people are so envious of Kyuubi's powers. Too bad Naruto is so stupid that he will listen to them and believe every word.

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It always gives me the feeling he will lose the Kyuubi before the whole story is over. Maybe it could even play a part on the final battle. Surpassing the 4th, in a sense. Would be too boring and kind of predictable though. :(

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

Yes, I meant Iruka. Thought it didn't sound quite right.

(Haha, imagime Ibuki as a parent. You wouldn't get away with lying. :p )

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You mean Ibiki? (lol)

It would make sense to give Naruto his mother's surname, considering that most of the stuff about the 4th and Kyubi is meant to be kept secret.

Why is the "stuff" (what stuff btw?) about the 4th a secret?
That Kyuubi is a secret I can understand...

@ASSpirine: Manga readers know something about your "why" question, but cannot say. Suffice it to say that the Kyuubi isn't all that it seems.

Even though this isn't such a satisfying answer, the Third Hokage seemed to agree, and tried to protect Naruto from his past. Heck, remember that the Kyuubi met Uchiha Madara at some point in the past.

Edit: finally watching this. I hope it is as good as I hoped.

That stuff with Enma and Sarutobi is filler. In the manga, Sarutobi suggested they go peeping at the baths together.

I pictured Jiraiya's mentor toad a different color.

Damn, Yahiko sounds like he's 20.

Also, Jiraiya became a missing nin when he decided to leave the village and teach the kids. So being a missing nin isn't that bad. It's a label villages use on people they want to distance themselves from politically.