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Chidori burns just as well, see episode 84 or 85Quote:
Originally posted by: Kale Ironfist
problem is, using rasengan too much burns your hands, unlike chidori (cos it uses way too much chakra anyway). still, with kyuubi, naruto heals it all back in one night [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
and Sasuke ca only use 2 (or was it 3) a day. Naruto used dozains of them on a very short timespan
yeah nobody notices sasuke's flesh all ripping from his chidori.....
the only reason naruto's hands were hurting was cause he was performing it constantly for like, a month.....and his hands werent used to it yet either
yeah, 2 times a day <=> about 1000 times a month
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we've never seen Chidori used in a combat situation by anyone besides Sasuke, who's just a stuid, egotistical Gennin, who shouldn't be using it in the fist place. We have however, seen the Rasengan used properly by Jiraya. If you compare Naruto's grasp of the Ransengan as comprable to Sasuke's grasp of the Chidori- then I think it's safe to assume that the Chidori can be a lot more powerful.
Basicly what I'm saying, in a really roundabout way, is that there is no way to compare the two, because we haven't seen Chidori used properly; like we have the Ransengan.
ummmm kakashi vs zabuza would be an example....
just never speak again.Quote:
Originally posted by: InnerSakuraChan
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we've never seen Chidori used in a combat situation by anyone besides Sasuke, who's just a stuid, egotistical Gennin, who shouldn't be using it in the fist place. We have however, seen the Rasengan used properly by Jiraya. If you compare Naruto's grasp of the Ransengan as comprable to Sasuke's grasp of the Chidori- then I think it's safe to assume that the Chidori can be a lot more powerful.
Basicly what I'm saying, in a really roundabout way, is that there is no way to compare the two, because we haven't seen Chidori used properly; like we have the Ransengan.
AHH! I lose! I lose!
*Bows humbly*
Sorry - havn't watched that arc in forever . . .
Darn . . . and I had been trying hard no to do something stupid . . . oh well, everyone gets flamed sometimes . . .
Hey, here's a thought. You know how the fourth is kakashi's sensei? Well, maybe the fourth tried teaching kakashi how to do rasegan like how the Jiraya is teaching naruto how to do it. And kakashi, instead of doing it like the 4th did, chose his own method prob b/c it was to hard to duplicate completely. (i dont think kakashi can copy it w/ sharingan b/c it's not a jutsu, it's chakra control) Or maybe, he just wanted to try new things w/ his sensei's technique. So, that's prob why chidori is more like scattered energy. He can't quite concentrated it. Like the Jiraya said, it took the 4th nearly 3 years to complete. So kakashi did it his style. Naruto is only prob closer to mastering it the way the 4th did b/c he's the main character.
So in argument as to which one is stronger, I'm thinking both are about equal. It's just that rasegan is moe concentrated, I think and chidori is more scattered.
ok... if naruto is able to learn it, kakashi would have no problem with it. he is a SUPER GENIUS.
That leads to the question whether he can.Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
ok... if naruto is able to learn it, kakashi would have no problem with it. he is a SUPER GENIUS.
This may sound a little out there but reading quotes from vol.19 ch166 page3 where kabuto hinted at some relationship between jiraiya and naruto, and vol.18 ch159 page6 where tsunade talked about only the 4th and jiraiya being able to perform the rasengan - they made me consider if the rasengan is something of a bloodline limit type of technique. This would mean that the 4th, jiraiya and naruto would be related in some way of course, but it makes sense once you think about how orochi, tsunade and kakashi cannot perform the rasengan simply because they are not from a bloodline which has the potential this ability.
The meaning of naruto's name also hints at this (taken from narutoinfo.com):
"Uzumaki is a very known and basic word. It means 'spiral', and it is also used for things like cyclones and whirlpools."
coincidence about the name and the whole 'wind', 'cyclone' technique?? i dunno [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by: AmP
That leads to the question whether he can.Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
ok... if naruto is able to learn it, kakashi would have no problem with it. he is a SUPER GENIUS.
This may sound a little out there but reading quotes from vol.19 ch166 page3 where kabuto hinted at some relationship between jiraiya and naruto, and vol.18 ch159 page6 where tsunade talked about only the 4th and jiraiya being able to perform the rasengan - they made me consider if the rasengan is something of a bloodline limit type of technique. This would mean that the 4th, jiraiya and naruto would be related in some way of course, but it makes sense once you think about how orochi, tsunade and kakashi cannot perform the rasengan simply because they are not from a bloodline which has the potential this ability.
The meaning of naruto's name also hints at this (taken from narutoinfo.com):
"Uzumaki is a very known and basic word. It means 'spiral', and it is also used for things like cyclones and whirlpools."
coincidence about the name and the whole 'wind', 'cyclone' technique?? i dunno [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
That sounds very very very very very very unlikely, I doubt if their related or it's a bloodline limit.
It's just molding chakra and spinning it violently. I would think it would require a great ammount of chakra and concentration. It takes alot of time to learn it, it took the 4th 3 years.. Naruto's a genius for learning it so quickly. It isn't a jutsu or body specially functioning different.
Why don't Kakashi learn RAsengan? Maybe the fourth just never taught him it. Or the chidori is maybe a modified version of the Rasengan, which fits his style of fighting better. Because Ninja's aren't suppose to reveal their secrets to each other.
And I'm getting quite sick of the bloodline thingy.
there isnt a bloodline to use rasengan. i guess you just need abnormal amounts of chakra or something. maybe thats why naruto learned it so quickly he can mold chakra almost constatly cause he got loads of it(his own) a person that has a normal chakra level might have to do it over a longer period of time. then add kyubis chakra to all this nauto would be able to train the rasengan for a year constantly, and if 2 ppl do the same thing but one of them does it more its likely he will complete it first. and kakashi, tsunade, orochimaru dont know the rasengan cuase it wouldnt be fun if all the characters ran around with the same special move.
why does the copy ninja kakashi have to be taught a technique to begin with? he also has more chakra control and learning ability compared to naruto, i'm just saying there is something that can explain the aparant difficulty learning it.
why does copy ninja kakashi need to learn something? well for the simple matter that the sharingan can only copy seals and then the user must try to comprehend how much chakra is used. kakashi cant see how the rasengan is working just by watching it with his sharingan. if sharingan was able to copy every little secret and see into someone mind they would rule the world. many jutsus got a trick to do it not just seals and chakra amount. thats why copy ninja kakashi cant learn the rasengan just by watching it. he might be ale to learn it but as i said it wouldnt be fun if all characters got the same special move, besides in kakashis mind the chidori is better since he created it himself and its special made to be used with the sharingan.
taken from ep.7, "sharingan can understand how an opponents technique works, and copy it". your definition doesn't sound very correct.Quote:
Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
why does copy ninja kakashi need to learn something? well for the simple matter that the sharingan can only copy seals and then the user must try to comprehend how much chakra is used. kakashi cant see how the rasengan is working just by watching it with his sharingan. if sharingan was able to copy every little secret and see into someone mind they would rule the world. many jutsus got a trick to do it not just seals and chakra amount. thats why copy ninja kakashi cant learn the rasengan just by watching it. he might be ale to learn it but as i said it wouldnt be fun if all characters got the same special move, besides in kakashis mind the chidori is better since he created it himself and its special made to be used with the sharingan.
i also don't understand why he would think chidori is any better than rasengan considering that both attacks require the attacker to touch the victim (so they're both close clombat techniques). rasengan is more powerful aswell, as we have seen.
ok, so basicly what you are saying is that the saringan ca nread minds which it cant. jutsus arent just seals and chakra amount, if they can see these 2 they still need to figure out the last part of the jutsu how does it work? if they got the knowledge they can copy jutsus but if they dont they cant. as to why he would think the chidori is better 1) its based on the sharingan, you cant use it without it. 2) its his own jutsu. 3) a man has pride enough to do so. 4) the show would be boring if everyone used the same jutsu all the time.
Actually this is a very gray area about the Sharingan ability.. Sharingan can kinda read minds. It probably confuses the enemy telling you their next move, so it can predict and understand how the jutsu is formed (Zabuza and Kakashi's first fight, Kakashi read his mind and repeated back his words).Quote:
Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
ok, so basicly what you are saying is that the saringan ca nread minds which it cant. jutsus arent just seals and chakra amount, if they can see these 2 they still need to figure out the last part of the jutsu how does it work? if they got the knowledge they can copy jutsus but if they dont they cant. as to why he would think the chidori is better 1) its based on the sharingan, you cant use it without it. 2) its his own jutsu. 3) a man has pride enough to do so. 4) the show would be boring if everyone used the same jutsu all the time.
I would think Kakashi could look and know how it's done. But it's a question whether can he copy it instantly and use it. I always thought the sharingan enable's a person to understand a jutsu/technique. But to be able to emulate it, is another question. There's where Kakashi is considered a genius.
Also , Kakashi does know really alot of jutsu's. But might not be the best jutsu at his disposal during fights.
yea you need a good brain to be able to use the sharingan to its fullest you need to understand how jutsus work or figure out how they work. so the sharingan can only copy chakra amount and seals the rest is up to the individual. sasuke isnt smart enough to figure out how strong, hard jutsus work but itachi and kakashi might be able to for example. the zabuza thing thats not really just the sharingan its a bit psychology to, if you understand the human mind you can anticipate what person is going to do when they are being pushed like zabuza it would help with sharingan tho to read lip movement and such.
if you would look at episode 18 , at exactly 11:00 ,Quote:
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
but chidori isnt just the chakra around your hand, its the straight thrust and the use of sharingan with it
just as you wouldnt perform gentle fist without byakugan, you wouldnt perform chidori without sharingan
and if you can see your enemy's movement with sharingan, then you shouldnt have any trouble aiming for critical areas
although that just got me thinking......interesting how its designed for avoiding counters, yet kakashi didnt see haku getting in the way at the last second....maybe the mist was in the way, there was still mist at the time, right?
you'd see haku used one of his ice mirrors