Who is really the STRONGEST

Stoop, thats one reason I don't buy in to the whole itachi was just tired argument. Either Itachi really thought he could not beat jirai, at what ever cost, or he had other motives for delaying a second attempt.

Maybe the fact that at that time, naruto did not use the kyubi in the fight meant they saw the threat of the kyubi as being less than they thought as previously suggested by roko.
Or maybe if my theory plays out, they knew jirai was on alert and their chances of succesfuly kidnapping him went down the tubes, but then again jirai allrady knew atsuki was looking for naruto, so thats not the best explanation. Maybe itachis just wanted to ditch that diaper kisami before returning and he never got the chance?

One thing they didnt mention after that until recently was atsuks attempts to capture teh other demons. I can't believe they has 2 1/2 years of failed atempts at grabbing them. Infighting in atsuki maybe? Or mabe the timing of the attempt had something to do with oro's need to change bodies- hence the timing of the recent kidnapping of gara.

Any way, thats getting a little off topic- the question comes back to who is the strongest. I still think we haven't seen anything close to the best from itachi, kakashi, or gai, or even any of the sanin, except maybe for oro, but he's a tricky bastard so you never know.

the next stroy arc of the story should answer alot of these questions, lets just hope it doesnt develope into a my lvl 3 trumps your lvl 2 fight, or whose inner demon has the more tails.

Y's got a point too- their reasoning makes no sense as is, unless they are not serious about their own goals or they are totaly incompotent, which either way makes them a joke, which they do not appear to be. Maybe they're not as organized as we've beem led to believe and they act more individualy in 2 man groups with little or no communication between them, like splinter cells of terrorists groups, so as not to compromise security.

If the story continues with the atsuki plot at the current pace, we're bound to see much more of them very soon. Maybe they intentionaly mistate their goals in order to confuse their eneimies. Or kishimoto is suffering from lucas-itis and is making it up as he goes along, which i truly hope is not the case.

1. itachi
2. oro/ jiraiya
3. tsunade ( the three may be equal now, we dont know, but ill list her below for now)
4. kakashi
5. kisame

1-Jiraya-Itachi
2.Tsunade-Oro
3.Kakashi
4.Kisame

This is just a geuss of what we have seen so far.


And to the people think that Itachi kan beat Jiraya easy then why didnt he comeback as soon as he had recovered. Cause he knew that Jiraya expects them and he know he cant win for sure.

I really don't think Kisame should be rated so low. He is a mist ninja with a sword that basicly seals off chakra. Maybe it's because he looks like an aquatic animal that people don't like him.

I like Kisame he looks very speciel with his fish face but he isnt as good as Jiraya and co. I only rate Kakashi higher cause we havent seen much of Kisame's skills.

No-one can really make an argument because it would be based entirely on speculation and conjecture. However its fun to try and work out the possibilities.

Currently Itachi is at the top - but only ever so slightly above the Sannin.

Akutsuki groups of 2's seems to have a Master/Apprentice type relationships in terms of power. (Itachi > Kisame / Sasori > Deidaro) The Masters are at or slightly below Sannin level from what we have seen (except Itachi)

The Apprentice's seem to be at Kakashi and Mito Gai's level - Deidaro would have been bitch slapped by kakashi or Gai.

Itachi is the strongest for now. the reason he ran from jiraiya was becuase he got careless and used tsukiyomi on sasuke. If jiraiya was stronger than itachi, why didnt he just wait in konoha for itachi and kisame to fight them alongside kakashi? kakashi could take out kisame and jiraiya would have itachi all for himself, as some of you say if kisame and itachi fought jiraiya at best all 3 would die so if jiraiya fought itachi on his own that would be an easy victory right?

to reply to kineda, you have no idea to how strong deidara is, how can you say that gai or kakashi would trash him?

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If jiraiya was stronger than itachi, why didnt he just wait in konoha for itachi and kisame to fight them alongside kakashi?

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Considering Jiraiya was on a mission with Naruto to go get Tsunade, he can't exactly wait around for Akatsuki to come before he went out to find Tsunade, she was needed straight away to take the Hokage role.

Jiraiya took Naruto with him, because he knew the Akatsuki would strike but not exactly when, and he would be safer with Jiraiya than any other person, not many people actually liked Naruto, and Jiraiya being the strongest took him.

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Originally posted by: Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya
If jiraiya was stronger than itachi, why didnt he just wait in konoha for itachi and kisame to fight them alongside kakashi?

Jiraiya hardly stays in one place of a long period of time. Hes a busy person who was constantly gathering info on the Akastuki and keeping tabs on their movements around the time Kakashi fought the Akastuki. If Jiraiya knew that Itachi and Kisame were in Konoha at the time I would think he would've gave Kakashi a hand considering he already knew that Kakashi's level would'nt be enough to fend off the Akastuki from taking Naruto.

Remember - i said this was all conjecture.

From what we have seen of Deidara, Deidara seemed weak to close range combat (his defenses are weak) and relied on long range attacks (homing missiles). But then again we haven't seen deidara's true potential.

Kakashi/Gai are excellent at close range combat from what we have seen. But then again Kakashi and Gai are stronger since we last saw them and we don't really know what Gai is capable of.

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Originally posted by: kAi

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If jiraiya was stronger than itachi, why didnt he just wait in konoha for itachi and kisame to fight them alongside kakashi?

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Considering Jiraiya was on a mission with Naruto to go get Tsunade, he can't exactly wait around for Akatsuki to come before he went out to find Tsunade, she was needed straight away to take the Hokage role.

Jiraiya took Naruto with him, because he knew the Akatsuki would strike but not exactly when, and he would be safer with Jiraiya than any other person, not many people actually liked Naruto, and Jiraiya being the strongest took him.

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he could have taken the role of hokage for the small amount of time til the akatsuki attacked and then go to find tsunade. not really that hard to do. the only thing that makes this unreasonable is that this is a series and that would kill the story abit.

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Originally posted by: Sigure

(I just want to say Kisame is most likely the weakest one in the Aktasuki)

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>.< full of shit, i think there all equally strong , the fact is he is with itachi for a reason, he doesn't think, remember good ol shark boy prolly gots a brain as big as a peanut, but with small brains means alot of power, thats why itachi is with him to do the thinking.


as for the others, i dun really care who is the strongest ,

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Originally posted by: NewTaxes
I really don't think Kisame should be rated so low. He is a mist ninja with a sword that basicly seals off chakra. Maybe it's because he looks like an aquatic animal that people don't like him.

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i rated kisame below kakashi because kisame was taken aback when he heard that kakshi has beaten zabuza. kisame was one of the swordsmen of the mist, so we can infer that he is around, maybe a little above the strength of zabuza, who kakashi beat. i dont think he would have been shocked if he knew zabuza was way weaker than him.

we also saw kakashi fighting on par with kisame and asuma could hold his own against him to, so he is most probably the weakest akatsuki.

but keep in mind: there are still several members of akatsuki that we havn't seen yet. Saying kisame is the weakest is jumping to conclusions.

the anbu chick.

You guys need to get off Itachi's dick for a second. My god, we barely know anything about him and you guys all claim he is the strongest. RIght now in Naruto we have NO IDEA who is the strongest. We have yet to see the Sannins at full strength and we have yet to see Kages from other villages. We have not seen all of Akatsuki, so this agruement is pointless.

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Originally posted by: Dezalanel
You guys need to get off Itachi's dick for a second. My god, we barely know anything about him and you guys all claim he is the strongest. RIght now in Naruto we have NO IDEA who is the strongest. We have yet to see the Sannins at full strength and we have yet to see Kages from other villages. We have not seen all of Akatsuki, so this agruement is pointless.

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YEA way to tell those midget itachi fan boys... oh wait who the fuck is that in your sig?

lol weakest got u dez. u jus told everybody to get off itachi's dick and yet, ur still clinging on to it. We have seen him fight and we can tell hes strong, thats why we say hes up there with the best, whether he is definetaly the best i dont kno.