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Originally posted by: XanBcoo
This much is true, but keep in mind when the seal is activated, it boosts the users strength and speed. Meaning Sasuke could maintain Lee's speed for a given time (granted, not very long), but then activate the first level of the seal when he can't sustain that speed any longer, become even stronger and faster for a period of time, and finally activate the 2nd level, which grants more than enough power to overcome Neji.
Popping some speed or crack, when you're already tired or beatdown is not going to make you feel any better about previous ailments.
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Originally posted by: XanBcoo
In any case, the 3-pupil Sharingan has not much to do with the power of the Chidori (save for getting rid of the blind spot due to the great speed), I know that.
You know that, and I know that.
You know that I know that we're all knowing of what we know about that.
They don't know anything, though.
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Originally posted by: XanBcoo
But about the water tank...I'm quite sure Sasuke "cut" through it just fine. His arm was lodged in a shredded hole inside it, meaning that he cut through it. Follow? It didn't go out the back (like the Rasengan) because the range of the Chidori is only equal to the range of the user's reach. Sasuke was thrown into the water tank, ripped through it with his hand, and came to a stop because of the force of the rest of the tank on his body. The Rasengan exploded the tank out the back because it does a different type of damage. The water tank argument does not detract at all from the power or effectiveness of the Chidori at all.
I believe the water tank argument does detract the effectiveness of the Chidori against Kaiten.
You stated yourself that the Chidori's reach is merely as long as the caster's full extension of their arm. In this case, this is the length of Sasuke's arm. I won't bother trying to imagine how long Sasuke's arm is, because despite how long his arms are, it is not long enough to strike Neji. And, this is given the benefit of penetrating the Heavenly Whirl to begin with.
Sasuke penetrates Kaiten, which projects from Neji at about two to three meters, with his uber Chidori. Unable to reach, his arm is now lodged within this rotating dome of fairly solid energy. It is only a moment before Sasuke is also caught within the momentum of the vortex, and consequently flung away.
I almost think of Gaara's Sphere of Sand, which was smaller than Kaiten. Sasuke's arm was stuck with in it. It would not have been so pleasant has that sphere been constantly spinning and spiralling about.
On another note, Naruto's entire body was enveloped within the Kyuubi's chakra, which is later revealed to completely protect him (and harm) at the same time, when disrupting Neji's Kaiten. The constant resistance from all sides, against Kaiten which was spinning from all sides, is what caused the stalemate. Sasuke is not as fortunate to have access to something of that nature.
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Originally posted by: XanBcoo
That's pretty much how I understood it to have happened too. I was merely referring to the fact that Sasuke's Chidori was able to overcome and defeat an attack by Naruto using the Rasengan in some way or another. But if you want to get techincal, then I could point out that when the two attacks collided, and the final blows were dealt, Sasuke still had his Chidori activated and punched Naruto with it, whereas Naruto's Kyuubi-Rasengan seemed to have vanished and he whacked Sasuke's head protector with his claws. It was almost as if the Rasengan had been dissipated.
Actually, if you would like to get technical, the Rasengan went across Sasuke's forehead protector. It did not go into his head, as the Chidori went into Naruto's shoulder / heart area. With nothing for the Rasengan to connect with and show off it's effects, it is expected for it to seem to dissipate as it did not truly collide with anything.
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Originally posted by: XanBcoo
Where is this "one touch anywhere on the body from Jyuuken is an instant kill" argument coming from?
I'm not sure, as I never said something in those words or to that extent.
One hit is all Neji needs to take control of the match, and it does not even need to be a direct hit.
See "Neji v. Hinata" and "Neji v. Kidoumaru" for further evidence of this.
I'll elaborate what I mean in further detail in a later post, if requested or required.
In addition, while I never said it before, I will now: I only believe it takes one strike to kill.
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Originally posted by: XanBcoo
My memory's fuzzy, but I beleive Hinata was attacked with a strike from Jyuuken, and survived just fine. I also recall Naruto being hit with a Jyuuken strike as well as the 64 hakke attack, and not dying. I could be wrong about this, but I don't think I am.
Your memory serves you correctly. They were both struck with Jyuuken assaults and did not die.
However, this is because Neji was not trying to kill them. When Neji did decide to attempt to kill Hinata, it was going to be one final blow -- most likely similar to the final blow within that Ougi .gif someone posted earlier. I also assess it was one final blow due to the firm stance Neji was in, with merely one hand extended, while the other arm laid languidly behind him.
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Originally posted by: XanBcoo
The Hakke Rokuju Yonsho is a method of stopping one's flow of Chakra, not killing (arguably, Sasuke could recover from its effects with the power of the curse seal - but really, this is unknown, so I'll accept it as a moot point).
I disagree.
Stopping one's chakra flow is the only method we have seen it utilized for.
It's been stated that with Jyuuken, you can regulate an opponent's chakra with its touch -- be it increasing the amount of chakra they are forced to use, or shutting it down, rendering them unable to use any.
Why do you believe it is possible for Sasuke's Seal to allow him to recover from having his chakra points sealed / stopped?
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Originally posted by: XanBcoo
I disagree, and can tell you the Rokujuu Yonsho is just an attack used in conjunction with the bloodline limit: Byakugan. The whole Jyuuken style revolves around being able to precisely control one's chakra, so yes, I'd say that anyone with good chakra control could use it if they really tried. It wouldn't do any good though, because the Byakugan is needed to see the correct targets for this type of style. That is, the inner chakra system. This is why only the Hyuuga use it. As far as Sasuke goes, because it is a unique attack that uses chakra, I think he'd be able to see its movements, much like he saw Kyuubi-Naruto's movements.
So, the Sharingan is not really a Bloodline Limit, as anyone properly watching the seals can then copy a Ninjutsu or Genjutsu technique, no?
Kakashi was watching Haku, and the ability used in conjunction with his Bloodline Limit was unable to be copied, the Demon Ice Mirrors.
Due to that I believe even the abilities "used in conjunction," that you don't classify as Bloodline techniques, cannot be copied or read as easily as regular jutsu.
Also, the technique only uses chakra as it connects with the desired point, as it isn't something required to gather, it is merely released from the pores.
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It's also good to have you back in this thread. Not much argument going on before you came back.
Many thanks. Work and City of Villains though, is where I've been. Damn game has me hooked to an IV.
Also, your post in response to Kitsu's is somewhat addressed in points above. No need to reiterate, unless you make me .. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by: darkmetal505
They wouldnt put a jackass as a Jounin. Why would Gai pull out something ridiculous as "it cut through lightning" (by the way, all the "idiotic" remarks are usually accompanied by the nice guy pose or some stance, which wasnt the case in this remark).
Last I checked, most of the rank tests are based on skill, not personality traits or a lack thereof. If this were the case, I'm doubting Hayate with his disease or Orochimaru would have been promoted.
Why? Because the story has been exaggerated to increase Kakashi's hype and fame. It is a story.
As for the idiotic remarks, it was quite stupid of Gai to have not noticed the suspicious gourd, and there was no pose or twinkling teeth thereafter.
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your lack of weenie amuses me
And, I shall call him .. Sai.
