Naruto Chapter 438

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Sat, 03-07-2009, 11:11 AM
Abdula

I wouldn't think a berserker mode would be such a difficult thing to understand. No poopdeville that isn't the Kyuubi, as DBZ and Sidnne said the Kyuubi is a very intelligent creature with a very distinct personality. What we have here is simply a berserker mode, as Jiraiya mentioned oh so long ago he used the key to loosen Naruto's seal and this is the result. He released more chakra than Naruto can handle so anytime Naruto goes beyond three tails, which is apparently the max he can handle, he just gets overwhelmed and goes crazy. Not until all nine tails are released and Naruto undergoes a second transformation into a giant nine tailed fox will the Kyuubi actually be in control.
Sat, 03-07-2009, 12:03 PM
Sidnne

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Originally Posted by poopdeville

Talk of personalities is confusing everything.

The only person who's confused is you.

It's very clear from your responses that you have absolutely no clue what anyone is saying to you. We might as well be speaking in Linear A.
Sat, 03-07-2009, 01:57 PM
Assertn

Nah....I think +4 tails is definitely the kyubi taking control. When Naruto went 4 tails, the whole subconscious sequence showed him offering his body to the Kyubi. Plus, 4-tailed Naruto wasn't being blindly reckless (think like Chopper's monster mode)...he was actually performing jutsus that the Kyubi is likely familiar with, such as the chakra ball of death. Not only in the fight vs Oro, but now in the fight vs Pain, he's used it. There has to be some sort of consistency in the consciousness between those two fights.
Sat, 03-07-2009, 02:39 PM
Abdula

Um, I dunno Assertn but that really doesn't seem to be a good argument for there being a consciousness in there. If anything I think you're doing just the opposite. Its common with berserker modes that there is a particular fighting style the berserker uses that relies solely on instinct, and its common for them to use the same attacks and the same tactics over and over and over again. So while I don't doubt that that chakra ball of death is something the Kyuubi probably uses, it seems purely instinctual to me.

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Originally Posted by Assertn

Plus, 4-tailed Naruto wasn't being blindly reckless

How exactly can you make that argument?
Sat, 03-07-2009, 02:49 PM
poopdeville

The chakra ball of death is a Rasengan, just so you know. (I've been calling it the Kyuubi Spirit Bomb Rasengan, heh) Jiraiya explained that the only way chakra can take the shape of a ball is if it is rotated and compressed. Otherwise it just dissipates, kind of like fire. (We've all seen the "blue flame" kind of chakra, by Kabuto for example)

Not that this has anything to do with the Kyuubi-consciousness issue.

I understand the idea of a berserk mode. I just keep saying that the damn Shukaku did it just as much as the Kyuubi has. Splitting hairs over the monster's intentions is stupid, when the intention in both cases was to kill the first thing they saw.

Edit: I know what Linear A is, you Cretan. :0)
Sat, 03-07-2009, 02:50 PM
Assertn

Meh...just a difference of opinion. Can't objectively be argued for or against at this point.
Sun, 03-08-2009, 11:52 PM
Dansetsu

I agree although I don't think that it's lame at all whats going on. Very entertaining stuff. Epic battle. Well, almost epic.
Mon, 03-09-2009, 11:23 AM
Paper

After reading this chapter, it seems Naruto is out of moves. Naruto is in Kyuubi mode and should have one more sage clone left at the mountain, but when Kyuubi Naruto uses 4 tails after transformation, he can barley move hence sending him to the hospital because the chakra literately burns his skin causing him to rapidly heal himself from his own damage.

He is in 6 tail Kyuubi mode now, who knows what's the severe side effect behind the transformation, all we know is its a highly possibility Naruto will be unconscious and team guy teaming up on Pein until Naruto get back on his feet.
Mon, 03-09-2009, 01:38 PM
Narasho

Did I miss something? When did Kabuto show up...
Mon, 03-09-2009, 01:48 PM
Archangel

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Originally Posted by Narasho

Did I miss something? When did Kabuto show up...

He didn't.

It's just that yamato, sai and anko were forming a team to track him down.
Mon, 03-09-2009, 02:18 PM
Uchiha Barles

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Originally Posted by paper mache

After reading this chapter, it seems Naruto is out of moves. Naruto is in Kyuubi mode and should have one more sage clone left at the mountain, but when Kyuubi Naruto uses 4 tails after transformation, he can barley move hence sending him to the hospital because the chakra literately burns his skin causing him to rapidly heal himself from his own damage.

He is in 6 tail Kyuubi mode now, who knows what's the severe side effect behind the transformation, all we know is its a highly possibility Naruto will be unconscious and team guy teaming up on Pein until Naruto get back on his feet.

Quite the opposite. We know very little about 2+ tails Naruto except for the things you've mentioned. Even so, he managed to totally own Pain's barrier technique just by standing against it and digging his tails into the ground. The ball of energy he tried to shoot was something we'd already seen him do as 4 tails, and it's the only jutsu we've seen him use thus far. It seems to me that Pain is the one who's on the ropes. His trump card might buy him some time, but I doubt it's even going to come close to defeating the bag of tricks and sheer power that this manifestation of the nine tails has in store.
Mon, 03-09-2009, 03:17 PM
Dansetsu

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Originally Posted by Uchiha Barles

His trump card might buy him some time, but I doubt it's even going to come close to defeating the bag of tricks and sheer power that this manifestation of the nine tails has in store.

I'll do you one better. I'll go ahead and say that he won't be able to even handle a 7 tails. At this rate in the battle, I'd say unless that last move in the last frame of the last chapter was huge and really powerful, he's toast against the 7+ tails. And at 8, the fox will probably almost fully come out, and "naruto" will be gone from the scene.
Mon, 03-09-2009, 03:30 PM
Abdula

I gotta say I never get tired of you guys underestimating Pain. Although at this point I have trouble disagreeing with you Uchiha Barles but I like Pain too much allow myself to believe that he'll go down so easily.
Mon, 03-09-2009, 05:23 PM
Dansetsu

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Originally Posted by Abdula

but I like Pain too much allow myself to believe that he'll go down so easily.

So do I. I think he's one of the best ninjas to come around in a while. In fact I've been saying that for a while now too. The only problem is:

A. At some point, Nagato is going to just run out of chakra and the god realm will just become a limp doll.
B. It's fucking Kyuubi with 6 tails already.
C. If he withstood and sent back a shock wave blast from pain that basically was half of what he did to konoha, then I think more tails means he needs to either bust out something huge to combat against Kyuubi form naruto at this point, or just use more bodies. Or just run and keep running.

The fox also seems like a smarter fighter when Naruto lets him be and more tails come out. And he can go more nuts for longer periods at a higher caliber and power level, with more moves. So I don't know how pain is going to handle this. It'll be interesting to see.
Mon, 03-09-2009, 05:27 PM
poopdeville

I would agree, except that I can't believe Pein would try to capture Naruto without a plan for dealing with the Kyuubi. It was Sage mode that tripped Pein up, because it was strong and unexpected.

I think Pein's trump card is going to teleport 5 fresh bodies in. It would be like Naruto's usual tactic, except each of the bodies/clones has different talents.
Mon, 03-09-2009, 05:48 PM
Dansetsu

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Originally Posted by poopdeville

I think Pein's trump card is going to port 5 fresh bodies in.

I would agree with that except that he's going to have a small issue on his hands in the form of mastering their abilities in a brand new fight with no chance of practicing on weaker folks. Naruto in this mode is straight up getting scary now. He ain't fucking around when he sent that shock wave back to pain. But I do agree that new bodies will come into the fight. I'll back you by saying that god path probably hid some in the forest he's heading to around konoha for backup, or, since he's getting close to Nagato's mountain (we know this because of last frame where Nagato says he's close enough now) he has the power to try some close range transmission tricks and start to get serious in terms of the fox being on Nagato's home court.

But this is all just conjecture. Theory. And no I sadly don't think any of the bodies will be Jiraiya. Yes even I have given up on that all next in line of mightiest Narutverse fanboy needs.
Mon, 03-09-2009, 09:42 PM
Uchiha Barles

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Originally Posted by Abdula

I gotta say I never get tired of you guys underestimating Pain. Although at this point I have trouble disagreeing with you Uchiha Barles but I like Pain too much allow myself to believe that he'll go down so easily.

Oh, I wouldn't call everything that's happened so far "easy". And even then, I don't think Pain is going to go down "easily" at all in the next few chapters. I just think that when all is said and done, 1) Pain will be defeated, and 2) Kyuubi Naruto will not have been taken to his limits. I'm pretty sure Pain is going to put up one hell of a fight and we'll get to see a lot of Jutsu on the part of the nine tails that he'll need to deal with Pain's techniques (which would probably floor anyone else that's alive in the manga right now). But if either 1 or 2 turned out to be false...I'd be surprised, probably pleasantly so if the it doesn't come out like complete cheese.
Mon, 03-09-2009, 10:01 PM
Kagemane_no_Jutsu

well the next few chapters are feeling real predictable. But I don have a clue how Pains about to take out that fuckin thing, thinking its gonna happen though. I just hope gai rescues him right away. Idk how much I'd like a reverse Gaara rescue arc.

oh yeah... thats yahiko pain right? idk what youre callin him, but the one fighting kyuubi right now, is really surprising me with how well he's keeping up with him so far 1on1. naruto's fucked once he summons in god realm.
Tue, 03-10-2009, 01:27 AM
Rikudo

I think sooner or later Nagato will run out of chakra to transmit. So that counts out the possibility of more Pain bodies, at least for now. The jutsu Pain is performing in the last panel looks like a sealing technique. Six-tails Naruto will probably get immobilize and who knows what kind of shit Pain will pull out of his ass literally.
Tue, 03-10-2009, 02:22 AM
Dansetsu

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Originally Posted by Rikudo

I think sooner or later Nagato will run out of chakra to transmit. So that counts out the possibility of more Pain bodies, at least for now.

Wow real original since I posted that about only 6 posts ago. The least you could have done is agree with me on it and quote me or back me up a bit. I really don't think this fight will end well or be short. Each one involved has something very powerful over and over again up their sleeve. And this chapter just bumped it up to the next level. Like I and everyone said, neither of them is backing down. This is the fight we've been waiting for in the series. At least one of the top two or three.

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