One Piece Chapter 545

There is no doubt that the 3 admirals are the strongest force within the marines. But I wouldn't go as far as saying that a single admiral represents approximately 1/3rd of their strength. Let us not ignore the vice admirals. Yes, the ones during the buster call seemed pretty lousy but there are also people like Garp. Remember that Aokiji used to be a vice admiral for some time, even with his ice logia powers. This suggests that there might be some very powerful vice admirals out there (possible admirals in training).

Then there are people like Smoker, Sentoumaru (dunno if he can be considered a marine) and very special scientist named Vegapunk (his creations must contribute signifcantly to their forces)

Although we have seen the strength of an admiral, we still don't know what some of the other marine elites are capable of. I wouldn't write them off as cannon fodder.

Lastly if the pirates have Whitebeard, the marines have fleet admiral Sengoku.

I honestly don't think Whitebeard has a very good chance of winning. Besides, it would be kind of dumb if the World Government were toppled at this point. It would make the efforts of the revolutionaries pointless.

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Originally Posted by Splash!

. Besides, it would be kind of dumb if the World Government were toppled at this point. It would make the efforts of the revolutionaries pointless.

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I disagree there. I think the revolutionaries will play a part in this battle and help to not necessarily topple, but majorly weaken the WG. It has been stated before that the Yonkou are the ones that rule the "new world". I think this battle will serve as a trasitioning point from the main antagonists being the WG and their Shichibukai to the pirates that inhabit and run the new world.

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Originally Posted by boilerph

I disagree there. I think the revolutionaries will play a part in this battle and help to not necessarily topple, but majorly weaken the WG. It has been stated before that the Yonkou are the ones that rule the "new world". I think this battle will serve as a trasitioning point from the main antagonists being the WG and their Shichibukai to the pirates that inhabit and run the new world.

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I think Blackbeard is going to pull of something that will drastically change the face of the situation completely. I seriously doubt this is going to boil down to one big battle royale with every major faction in the series getting involved at this stage.

Also the World Government is not stupid. Blackbeard may have captured Ace, but they are the ones who decided to execute him. I don't think it is their intention to bite off more than they can chew. They must have something planned. Remember how they were trying to acquire all those ancient weapons.
Also, I don't think they are completely unaware of the relationship between Dragon and Ace. Garp does seem to be pretty loyal to the marines after all, I doubt he has kept Sengoku in the dark about a detail that could very well collapse the organization he has dedicated his entire life to.

Either way, I don't think any of this will matter when Blackbeard pulls the curtains.

bah, double post... please delete

It seemed obvious to me that the WG would win and WB would lose, if for nothing else, due to all the foreshadowing. I agree, it would be far too anti-climactic for it to be any other way. However, with Blackbeard's omen thrown into the mix, I think it will be more complicated than this. I still think WB will be defeated, but its possible that Blackbeard may arise in his place, to become a new Yonkou. This could also cripple WG's influence, while still keeping plenty of challenges to come for the strawhats.

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Originally Posted by The Chancellor

Difference being that Teach knew nothing of Magellan and just stood there waiting to find out about him instead of using his power to fight him properly. Chances are he also just faked his defeat so Magellan would move on and leave him alone. No way is he out of commission after proclaiming something huge will happen in a few hours. Even for Oda that's rotten foreshadowing. Otherwise he'd just be saying that Magellan is his favorite current character and use him as a plow to just mow through everyone.

BB clearly isn't beaten yet. That would make all the build up for him pointless if he was beaten, stripped of his title and thrown in jail here. But the plan has still makes me wonder what it could be.

Also. I'm going to make a prediction. I think it's time for the last admiral to show up. This craziness is a good time to bring him in and show all three of the admirals once and for all. Most of all, all of these fruits that are "liquid" or logia based running around in the prison got me to thinking. Oda is going to use this as an opportunity to keep up with the logia fruits and show that the last one "red dog" or Akainu, has a logia fruit in accordance to his colored name. Something red. Keeping in fashion with Kizaru's light and yellow monkey, and Aokiji's blue pheasant ice theme.

The war is happening soon anyway, and I'm sure there are people getting sent there to help Magellan out handling the ex shichibukai. If anyone should be sent, it should be the admiral who upholds absolute justice out of the three in order to stop Luffy and try and keep Ace from him.

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I'm not saying that BB got beat already and will go to prison and that's that. That would be so weird and dumb if that was the case. All I'm saying is that he's probably overstating his power and abilities as far as the fruit goes. He was a beast before he got the fruit, it's really THAT combination that makes him deadly!

I am a fan of sudden pwnings. I hope Blackbeard is toast. It would fit his personality.

there's good sudden ownings, and bad sudden ownings.

Wapol being sent flying off the going merry after his dramatic entrance was epic.
Even Wapol's final battle vs Luffy was great, considering that he was never even given the chance to utilize his own armory.

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Originally Posted by Assertn

there's good sudden ownings, and bad sudden ownings.

Wapol being sent flying off the going merry after his dramatic entrance was epic.
Even Wapol's final battle vs Luffy was great, considering that he was never even given the chance to utilize his own armory.

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So then what would be a bad sudden one? You can't just say there are good ones and bad ones and just give a good example.

@ poopdeville: Your entire argument built on the fact that blackbeard became a douchbag faster than anyone else in the series. Which, IMHO he isn't. Pirates are supposed to be douchebags and act just he does. Shanks, the SH's crew and other "nice" style pirates, are one of the things (many things but that's a whole other topic) that water the series down and ruin it. And blackbeard helped Luffy by not killing him in these last chapters. On top of that, Ace didn't even know that blackbeard was going after Luffy until he told him back on Banaro Islan. He was just hunting him down in general for betraying and killing whitebeards 4th captain. Which is another by product of one of the series "nice" Yonkou crews. Oda didn't even have the decency to tell us if Ace was friends with the 4th captain.

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Originally Posted by The Chancellor

So then what would be a bad sudden one? You can't just say there are good ones and bad ones and just give a good example.

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When Shinobu Sensui got suddenly owned by Yusuke Urameshi's demon form

When Sasuke handed naruto his ass on a platter on shippuden

When mystic gohan knocked the stupid off of super boo

When super boo with gotenks absorved knocked the stupid off mystic gohan

Give me a few minutes and i may come up with more

I didn't make an argument, I stated a preference... but are you commenting on what I said about "fitting Blackbeard's personality"? If so, all I meant is that Blackbeard has the Will of D, and is always going on and on about how a man's worth is measured by his destiny. The Blackbeard Pirates are probably the most fatalistic crew (that is, they believe in fate) we've seen. Blackbeard would (probably) happily die while trying to become Pirate King.

It's okay by me if a strong dude with the same dream as Luffy gets pwned. It's not so easy to become Pirate King.

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Originally Posted by Archangel

When Shinobu Sensui got suddenly owned by Yusuke Urameshi's demon form

When Sasuke handed naruto his ass on a platter on shippuden

When mystic gohan knocked the stupid off of super boo

When super boo with gotenks absorved knocked the stupid off mystic gohan

Give me a few minutes and i may come up with more

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When Magellan beat Blackbeard >>

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Originally Posted by UChessmaster

When Magellan beat Blackbeard >>

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yeah, i was referring to poopdeville's "magellan beating blackbeard" comment

every krillin entrance to a fight....ever lol

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Originally Posted by Assertn

yeah, i was referring to poopdeville's "magellan beating blackbeard" comment

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I wouldn't consider that a bad sudden owning because i don't believe that Blackbeard got owned at all

My guess is he will absorb the poison using his darkness

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Originally Posted by Archangel

I wouldn't consider that a bad sudden owning because i don't believe that Blackbeard got owned at all

My guess is he will absorb the poison using his darkness

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guys...please follow the thread before you make comments.

Poopdeville's comment said he'd be perfectly fine with BB dying right then and there, and my response was that, although I'm in favor of sudden, unexpected deaths, this would be a bad instance of one if it happened.

I've been saying that BB will absorb the poison for weeks now.

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Originally Posted by Assertn

guys...please follow the thread before you make comments.

Poopdeville's comment said he'd be perfectly fine with BB dying right then and there, and my response was that, although I'm in favor of sudden, unexpected deaths, this would be a bad instance of one if it happened.

I've been saying that BB will absorb the poison for weeks now.

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Gah... you're right -_-

Sorry for reading it out of context

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Originally Posted by Assertn

There's not much of a frame of reference for the yonkou crews, but one thing to note: When Shanks first opened talks with Whitebeard, he sent a newbie member of his crew, Rockstar, to relay the message. Rockstar had a $100M bounty. This guy was basically considered a joke by Whitebeard and his crew. Meanwhile, a certain pirate received a $100M bounty after defeating a former schichibukai, who previously had his own bounty of around $130M.

Luffy single-handedly defeated two schichibukai thus far, and could've defeated Hancock as well if they ever actually fought. At this point, I don't think Luffy is even ready to enter the new world yet, and you're indirectly implying he's stronger than 95% of Whitebeard's crew.

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I'll give you the first paragraph, but not the second one. He would not have defeated Hancock. Luffy's haki is still in infancy. Even Zoro's is stronger. On top of that, you yourself said Luffy isn't ready to go into the new world yet. When hancock came back, she was coming back from the new world. Doesn't that tell you that not only is she a shichibukai (and worthy of it) but she has one of the strongest hakis in the series other than a Yonkou captain, or Rayleigh?

And I'm not implying that Luffy's strong or weak. I just think that the people that passed out on whitebeards head ship, were an indicator of something. Think about it, if everyone on his isn't able to withstand Shanks presence, then that should tell you that the people on the other 16 ships he has are weaker. Maybe that captains can withstand Shanks presence, but not the crewman under them.

Crocodile's bounty was 80 million berries. I don't know if he ever made it to the New World, but I suspect he did not. (Likely, he was looking for Pluton in order to do just that -- just my opinion here though)

Luffy's bounty was raised to 100 million berries because the WG thought it was bad that he was going around saving people from pirates and marines. Basically, they see Luffy as a revolutionary -- especially since he declared war on the government at Enies Lobby.

Speaking of revolutionaries I can't believe no one has mentioned yet that a possible former member of CP9 was on the cover rescuing Robin. If you look to the right hand side of the cover you see someone who looks like they have a giraffe devils fruit. In other words Kaku from CP9, since each devils fruit is unique. Also Robin seems to have a look of surprise on her face, which I think hints at the fact that CP9 has joined the revolutionaries. Although it's possible that it isn't Kaku, IMO it would be strange for Oda to put a giraffe there if it wasn't.