Martial Arts

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Originally Posted by shinta|hikari

I thought liver blows were against the rules, but google says otherwise. Let me replace that with any blow that hits the back.

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Liver shots (or better known as body shots) are legal as they come from the front. You're probably thinking of kidney blows because those are from behind. Also donkey punches (to the back of the head) are illegal.

Yeah, it was kidney shot.

You are referring to a Rabbit Punch. A donkey punch, is well, used in an entirely different context...

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Originally Posted by shinta|hikari

Yeah, it was kidney shot.

You are referring to a Rabbit Punch. A donkey punch, is well, used in an entirely different context...

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Yeah that's what I meant, rabbit punch. Though donkey punches are illegal too, as they are a form of rabbit punch :D.

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Originally Posted by Xelbair

*cough* aikido *cough*

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A little too soft. I'd look for a better combination of punches and kicks and grabs which still holds finesse like Aikido, etc.

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

The only problem with boxing is that the practitioners are used to hitting heads with gloves (and hiding behind fists), which isn't practical in a real fight. Before gloves were used in boxing, people used to fight leaning back to keep their heads out of the way while striking body blows mainly.

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For example in Wing Chun.

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Originally Posted by Animeniax

Yeah that's what I meant, rabbit punch. Though donkey punches are illegal too, as they are a form of rabbit punch :D.

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Unless she consents. ;)

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Originally Posted by Killa-Eyez

Unless she consents. ;)

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That'd be a different kind of live show :D:D (we were talking about illegal moves in boxing matches).

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

The only problem with boxing is that the practitioners are used to hitting heads with gloves (and hiding behind fists), which isn't practical in a real fight. Before gloves were used in boxing, people used to fight leaning back to keep their heads out of the way while striking body blows mainly.

If you're training for real encounters, you'll have to practice hitting hard with soft (head with palm) and soft with hard (body with fist). It's too slow to think about that in a situation and you'll just throw whatever you've trained in.

See boxer's fracture. Wiki says it happens with improper form, but the bones of the hand are much weaker than the skull. I really do have to wonder at what would happen when someone punches a hard head/wall with proper form.

It's one example of where the art's evolved into sports by developing effective methods given rule constraints.

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This is absolutely correct. Boxers can be beasts but I never liked the fact that they specifically train to block incoming force by hiding behind their hands and arms. What if they're facing someone with a knife? They still have their highly effective evasive maneuvers, but to paraphrase what you said, what's going to come out in a stressful situation are the things they repeated thousands of times during training. Those arms are bound to come up to block...at least that's my thinking.

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

Ah. In that case I like the opposite. The key I'm looking for is effectiveness. I suppose that means brawling.

Given that I'm not talented physically nor with quick-thinking, I would want to learn something that is simple and effective without thinking too much about complicated locks etc.

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Fight dirty. Go for the maiming.

Eye pokes, grab edge of jaw and pull forward to break it, kick hard at side of knee or front of ankles, etc.

Then run like hell.

Jeet Kun Do self defense moves has a lot of those. I mean, 90% of the situational moves end with a kick in the groin.

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

The only problem with boxing is that the practitioners are used to hitting heads with gloves (and hiding behind fists), which isn't practical in a real fight. Before gloves were used in boxing, people used to fight leaning back to keep their heads out of the way while striking body blows mainly.

If you're training for real encounters, you'll have to practice hitting hard with soft (head with palm) and soft with hard (body with fist). It's too slow to think about that in a situation and you'll just throw whatever you've trained in.

See boxer's fracture. Wiki says it happens with improper form, but the bones of the hand are much weaker than the skull. I really do have to wonder at what would happen when someone punches a hard head/wall with proper form.

It's one example of where the art's evolved into sports by developing effective methods given rule constraints.

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I've broken my thumb once with a strike, only because my opponent stepped forward and my fist wasn't fully closed yet, proper form is goddamn important.

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Originally Posted by Xelbair

*cough* aikibudo *cough*

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FTFY

Also any martial artist should do some boxing as well and not just for the striking, as far as my experience goes, boxing is the only sport where you'll learn how to effectively bob and weave from other strikes.