Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon?

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Originally Posted by shinta|hikari

Except she literally told him to escape before she left him. It makes absolutely no sense to say this if she intended/wanted him to die. She knew his skills, and escaping is much easier than killing all the orcs.

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While I do agree that it wasn't the typical mocking sarcastic line uttered by a character who managed to entrap another, I think it was a bit rarer sad sarcastic line of farewell. She was saying goodbye to him, but since she had to force herself to betray him (had to convince herself to do it; he's an evil adventurer just like the others), that line was just one more part of process of getting over the regret she felt. Maybe she even deep down hoped he might survive and punish her later, who knows how deep her regret was, but she didn't really believe it.

I'm pretty sure she wanted to run away after getting her freedom. So her plan was to delay him there, sell his sword (she even mentioned it would get a good price anywhere), pay off her debt, and live in peace somewhere far away. If you think of it that way, everything makes sense.

Episode 8 - HS





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I confess that during the beginning of the confrontation, when Bell was just standing still and would have been slain had Lili not pushed him aside, I was thinking what the hell is this and the dude shouldn't even try to be an adventurer. But then he snapped out of it, and then he snapped out of it for the second time when Aiz appeared rendering him again a weakling to be saved. After that the fight turned into one of the best 1 vs 1, human vs monster fights in anime. The will not to give up permeated throughout it, which I appreciate, plus it also reflected Bell's super fast learning ability when he little by little started to get through. The end, the explosion of the minotaur from the firebolts pumped into its abdomen, was a masterful finishing move, the kind you rarely see and especially not executed this well.

I wonder if Aiz is falling for him...

Aiz already fell for him. During her discussion with Eina a little earlier (eps 6), it turned out that she's liked him for some time. Randomly saving him turned to pity at the pub after Bete's rant, which slowly turned into admiration when she repeatedly tried to find him and apologize.

The real question is did Riveria (being moderately dismissive before) and Bete (after slandering him so much before!) fall for him as well? I'd say yes.

Freya is one creepy skank. Hestia 4evah!

That said, Syr is no less sketchy than Freya. She's up to something no good. Ryuu at least admitted she was a former adventurer. Who the hell is Syr then?

That episode was a masterpiece. That battle was one of the best in anime. It didn't involve random power ups, cheats, or help. All it took was one kid and his will to become a hero.

Bell, you're my hero. *claps hands*

Not to mention the animation and direction were top notch. Honestly, I think it rivals the best fights by Ufotable.

Was the all S ability ranking reflecting his exp gained from killing the beefed up minotaur?

I hate the animal eared dude. His character type is the most cliche, most stupid, and most unrealistic. I don't even want Bell to one up him. I just want him and his cliche lines gone.

My problem with the fight was the horn stab.It really felt like he took a nearly lethal- at leat incapacitating- flank stab. But then it felt like a minor arm cut, as it didn't even limit his left arm mobility.
As for rank S, we'll have to wait a long time before we really understand all implications. We already know Bell is special, that rank reflects that.
Freya was ridiculous in that scene.
Aiz is level 6, ok big deal, but how does she compare to the guy who beefed up the minotaure for example ? A level alone, without comparison, is useless.


I liked the ep, just nipticking ;)

Aiz was labeled to be unprecedented. That's a pretty obvious rating.

The horn stab was obviously on the arm, but I do agree that he shouldn't have been able to wield a blade with a punctured forearm.

Bell is special = S rank doesn't compute. He was C or lower in most of his attributes when he got his love skill. Now, he is S in ALL of them.

His love skill is what makes him special. Hestia was pretty clear on it, even though it made her sad that his love isn't unconditional for her. It makes him grow extremely fast in order to catch up to Aiz.

He's rank S in everything because he's always been solo grinding. Lilli basically just picks up his loot and watches his blind spots. He had to play each any every role in all the fights he's ever been a part of, there's no making up for each other's lower proficiencies like they do in a party, so all his stats go up, with Agility topping out earliest.

His stats are a symptom of his specialness. His stats are always going to go up faster than a normal person's because he has to catch up to Aiz, who is already special and unique.

I think some of Loki's Familia was the most surprised that Bell was using spells without incantations, but more impressively, channeling them through his Hestia Knife. The first time he did it they were blown away.

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Originally Posted by shinta|hikari

That episode was a masterpiece. That battle was one of the best in anime. It didn't involve random power ups, cheats, or help. All it took was one kid and his will to become a hero..

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Except we know Bell has a special, "chosen-one" ability that gives him an unfair advantage over every other adventurer. Also, ignoring the former, beating a Minotaur by sheer will power is as "random" as it gets. Either it is bs, or it is a cheat. I´m saying it is both (random will power for the typical shounen clichee, as well as being a cheater due to whatever Freya apparently did to him in the past).

Don´t get me wrong, I enjoyed this episode and battle. But I don´t think it was anything special in terms of animation or concept. I will also admit that I kinda resent Bell because of the Kirito-voice actor, in combination with having a whole harem of girls already.

The direction was great. If you didn't understand that, there's no helping you.

No random powerups, cheats, and outside help happened during the battle itself. He didn't beat the minotaur by willpower alone. The commentators (Loki party) actually broke the battle down. His blade, skills, magic, the things he learned from Aiz, all of those led to that win. All of that he had before the battle started, even the STR to use that giant sword (remember Hestia's cryptic comment before he left?). He just used them all to the max in one amazing performance. You can call it in the zone, and it was his sheer will that triggered/allowed it.

@Ryll - That's what I meant. If your post is addressing David's comment, then I agree.

It's true that every fight, training and knowledge he accumulated allowed him to overcome that hurdle, but only with a strong will. And it was with almost no margin. So yes, it was carefully built and shown.Thanks for the input on the S attributes, although at times Bell feels more like a M :D

I'm pretty confident that all the girls except Aiz and Hestia are S of varying degrees.

Loki probably wants to be one too, but Aiz is stronger than her.
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All of them aside from Aiz and Hestia take great pleasure in teasing him.

Aizu confessed she enjoyed training bell. And it was mostly beating him around... To me it feels S to some degree...

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Originally Posted by Ryllharu

All of them aside from Aiz and Hestia take great pleasure in teasing him.

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Yeah. Aiz only enjoys kicking the living daylights out of him, like we saw multiple times. For fairness sake she always gives him a lap pillow afterwards, though. Such a good girl.

I think it was more that she enjoyed spending time with him under some other pretext because she's really quite shy.

More than shy, before seeing her faint blush, she felt a little like a bot or beefeed up NPC.... that she isn't of course. But I like to think she's an S and she doesn't know yet :D

Back to Syr, as she is depicted now, and since she's the one that gave the grimmoire to Bell, it becomes clear she's working with Freya. For what reasons and under which "contract/conditions" is yet to be seen.

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Originally Posted by Ryll

Freya is one creepy skank.

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What I want to know now is how levels and attributes interact. Ryuu tells us it's not enough to keep killing monsters, but that's how you increase your parameters. So it means if you solo-grind without doing anything major you can be a Level1 with S-stats.

In terms of counterstrike, I guess that makes Bell a fragger, but not necessarily a winner (until recently).

As far as I'm concerned though, Bell's been saved twice this episode. Holding up an enemy while you recover counts as saving.

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

As far as I'm concerned though, Bell's been saved twice this episode. Holding up an enemy while you recover counts as saving.

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I don't think anyone there would be so petty they would make an issue out of that. Nobody else touched the minotaur, so it was all his.

The real fight began when he stood up after Aiz tried to save him. Everything else before that was just build up.

I love moments like these, like when Kaneki Ken decided to stop being a wuss in the manga.

Episode 9 - HS



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I don't quite understand why Lili doesn't quit the scumbag addict familia she belongs to and join Hestia's. Is there some rule forbidding it? Like one can't quite unless kicked out by the god/goddess? Those folks did absolutely nothing but abuse her, so what sort of hard M would she need to be to remain there? Sure, Hestia is so jealous that she probably wouldn't want to accept another girl who obviously likes Bell, but if Bell asked her to let Lili in, I doubt she would refuse. In the end Hestia is also relying on Lili to look after Bell. It's an absolute truth that two pairs of eyes is better than just one in the deep bowels of the dungeon.

The blacksmith dude seems like a decent fellow. Quite a romantic, which makes him a suitable party member for Bell's hero party.