Naruto on [adultswim]

An odd point many of us are missing here, and that is this:

Although we do represent the elite among anime watchers, as we have already seen most/entire series by the time the first episodes have hit the televisions/DVD players of the non-downloading public, we are not the majority. There is, at the very least, 15-20 people who use public medians, such as Anime magazines and Adult Swim, to find out about anime and such per one person who downloads our anime. We are a very minor faction of it, and we are viably not a great source of income since it is apparent that a large majority of the people who download anime do not in turn purchase the anime. Therefore, what we want as far as anime/public medians is irrelevant. We don't make a contribution to the market, therefore we have no opinions to offer on what should/should not be done. We can cite our problems with marketed anime, whether lingual differences in what we are used to and what was done to a show, but saying that you will not buy anime for whatever reasons you may have boils down to the fact that "why buy the cow when the milk is free?" philosophy, and Naruto could be the one to bite us on the ass.

As far as my personal research goes (and this is publically available information - check stat trackers on any bittorrent site), Naruto is the single-most regularly downloaded anime that is running currently. I'm sure that anime companies such as Bandai, ADV, and Funimation have someone that checks out the download ratios for episodes to determine how popular a show is, while checking out the content for themselves. And I know that they are aware that there are thousands of individuals such as ourselves downloading different shows, some of which they already own the rights to. But if you get bored, check some stats for some of our popular shows. If you get bored, count the number of downloads from every group for the next Naruto. ANBU-AonE easily had 30k for most of theirs, then account for your speedsub groups. Then also look at the fact that their are groups out of Italy, Spain, and other non-English speaking countries that are also subbing, some of whom are committed to only doing Naruto. Then account for the fact that another few thousand people are using programs such as Kazaa, DC++, IRC, etc., and you have a shitload of people. But in the end, as popular as some shows are, none have as many hits as Naruto.

For those of you who really are committed to not feeling like a total ass about anime downloading, buy the DVDs. They put some form of contact in the DVDs for you to voice your concerns. If enough people bring the problems they have with anime to a company's attention, they will fix it. ADV is putting more episodes on their DVDs, and Pioneer/Funimation have lowered the price on their DVDs, or added more content in the form of episodes and extras to theirs. You can't claim they don't, considering I bought Trigun over 8 DVDs and Evangelion on tape and then look at what both companies are doing with their products now; the re-release of Evangelion has 4-5 episodes per DVD at the same price, and Geneon has dropped the price of their 3 episode DVDs by $5. I will admit that I got screwed on the Evas, but at the same time ADV was still starting out on popularizing anime and needed some way to guarantee they would make their investment back. Doesn't mean I was happy about it, just that I understand why every VHS tape had 2 episodes on it. But the more we tell them what we want from our anime, the more they'll work for our money.

With Naruto, a very valid point is there: If Naruto were licensed today, it would be no sooner than three years (and that's if they go into massive overdrive to get the series over here) until the American audience was caught up to where Naruto is currently; and after that point, they would be X number of episodes behind where it would be by the time they caught up to our current point. I wholeheartedly agree with the viewers, I could not nor would not wait three years to see what happens next in the show. It's of the level of kicking little kids and pulling pranks on mentally challenged people, it's undue suffering. Once Naruto is licensed, I will still get current episodes, even if I have to spend every Thursday night with my Japanese teacher having her translate everything I don't understand from the raws. But I will buy the DVDs. If anyone licenses this and they take a bath on it, the finger is going to be pointed at us, the people who download. And when that happens, the ADV witch hunts are going to look like hiccups from drinking Coke too fast compared to what a company that has lost millions of dollars at the hands of thousands of people who were too lazy to dish out $20/month.

I seriously doubt that many people will derive any source of deeper understanding of what we potentially mean to downloading anime and licensed DVDs, but I know that if it were my dime on this show and I wasn't getting the business on it that it should be giving me because of people downloading instead of buying, every one of us would have our asses kicked back to 1964... where anime was in Japan until a company brought it overseas. Bitch all you may want to, but we're going to be the ones who are shit out of luck if someone picks this show up and it doesn't generate massive amounts of money (with exception to 4Kids, obviously we could see that being a bad call). Funimation couldn't screw this show up horribly; at least they, along with everyone but 4Kids, leave the Japanese track on all their DVDs. And don't say "But they could ruin the subtitling on the jutsus!#@!" Then don't look at the words at the bottom when they do, you know what it is without reading. Don't be a nancy over it, and just write the company and express your discontent.

I'm gonna go grab a fire extinguisher and catch some sleep, something tells me I'm gonna have a lot of flames to put out later. =b

I couldn't have put it better myself, Kameron. Well done.

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Originally posted by: lonasjonas
Ahoy Pirates...

The question floating around lately is Naruto made for American Viewers? I am a member at the forum at [adultswim] and I was wondering if I could get some insight from other sources. The majority of the people at the swim, really dont have logic, so maybe I can see if anyone here has any. Not to be rude or mean, but because opinions vary from board to board.

Heres your job, say your piece about Naruto making it on the air on any network. Please, be thorough and state a logical statement. I am writing a thread at [adultswim] as well about this cartoon and pressing for it to get bought ASAP. If all goes well, I can show that others are up for it and post there replys.

The reason, have you seen the foxbox preview of One piece? They killed the cartoon with crap voice overs and major cut outs. I am only trying to save naurto from becoming the same. I think [adultswim] is narutos best chance for survival in American voice overs. Please, make your cause! I will be back tomorrow to check up on this thread and post support and my opinions. Thank you, and I hope to hear from you all.
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it would be better than crappy foxbox and kids wb, it would also be cool to see kakashi with spikes voice [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] but still i probably wouldnt watch it and i'd stick to the subs, if they still subbed naruto.

The only anime that wasever any good being subbed was trigun. Otherwise, subbing can just got hell!
You don't even hear the Japanese voices after a while anyway, you just sort of hear the subtitles in you r head anyway, and thats gotta be a major plus over grossly poor dubbed american versions.

Fansubbing rocks!!!!!

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Originally posted by: Jakins
The only anime that wasever any good being subbed was trigun. Otherwise, subbing can just got hell!
You don't even hear the Japanese voices after a while anyway, you just sort of hear the subtitles in you r head anyway, and thats gotta be a major plus over grossly poor dubbed american versions.

Fansubbing rocks!!!!!

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Actually I think cowboy bebop was a good job as well...


Honestly think the original voices for bebop were even better, spike sounded awesome, but still decent for american.

I'm going to have to agree with those that said not to dub it at all. Instead, air it with subs.. Fansubs or professional, it doesn't matter to me, I can decipher the grammar and such on my own. I'd rather do that than listen to dubbed voices.

Oh, and they should not cut anything out or censor stuff. That's one way to ruin it for sure. Like how TBS aired "Office Space" a little while back.. why bother? Half the movie was muted due to censoring [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

Honestly... if Naruto does come to the networks dubbed, AdultSwim would be the best place cause you wouldnt really want them to be dubbed on WB or FoxBox would you...? Many people will most likely watch the first episode to see how'd they dub it..

Btw... fansubbing is still the way to go

Quite frankly, you're kinda stupid if you think fansubs will stop WHEN it's licensed. Look at FMA, there are fansubs all over the place still, and the Gotwoot admins apparenly don't care that we're distrubuting all over the place. You all need to stop being such hard-asses about it and just take it with humour. Honestly, I wouldn't mind a bit if it was licensed, the dubs on TV would entertain me to no end, and I'd STILL have fansubs coming in. If anything, it makes enjoying Naruto even more enjoyable.

Oh, and I can't wait until FMA is on Cartoon Network XD

P.S.: You'd all be SOL if it wasn't for dubbed Anime. How popular do you think Anime would be if it didn't exist in America?

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Originally posted by: thundrakkon
Licensing and subbing is what has created the high popularity Anime is in the US market today. Yeah, I do admit that many dubs done by the American studios (4Kids as a major culprit) have reduced the enjoyment of the show and sometimes ruin it (Knights of the Zodiac anyone?), but without those licensing, there will be a minimum market. Money makes the world go around.

The re-writing of the story is the worst thing they can ever do. It makes the show just dumb (extreme case once again is Knights of the Zodiac).

As for Naruto on Adultswim, it is a better idea than most, but the most important thing is who is going to license the Anime. Even if Naruto is shown on Adultswim, if 4Kids or DIC Entertainment licenses it, the product will probably be not as good, unless they change their way of dubbing. From my experience, ADV and Bandai do an okay job, and Funimation is not too bad except for the editing that they do quite a bit. Pioneer (now Geneon) is still my favorite, even though their choice in dub actors are questionable at times.

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Funimation absolutly killed full metal alchemist to the point i lost respect for any dub ever done or to come. ill now never buy any anime and thus will only download subed anime. and anyway i live in new zealand dvds here cost around $60+

YOUR ALL FOR GETING it's not just dubing any one remimber outlaw star on adult swim they sencered is it NO BLOOD ti sucked ass

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Originally posted by: Shi_No_Shikaku
YOUR ALL FOR GETING it's not just dubing any one remimber outlaw star on adult swim they sencered is it NO BLOOD ti sucked ass

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Haha, imagine haku's death.

They'd make the translation say he was 21, Show kakashi charging his chidori, a bunch of flashes, and haku laying on the ground.

That what thay would do but think about when naruto is healing no blood and look still no blood

no blood??? wtf?? they r airing at midnight. no kids r gonna watch it.

I think Adult Swim has loosen a bit from their censorship, but they are still censoring. The question would be how much that they are willing to let go, but regardless, the censoring is not as bad as it would be in FoxBot or WBKids.

What's most important for me is still who licenses it. If they do a decent job, I'll buy the DVDs. If not, then I can count the company that did the dubbing on my ban list for ruining one of my favorite show. Hopefully, whoever licenses it will do a good job.

Adultswim can only work with the material they are given, and if the Naruto they receive is re-written and edited like crazy, then there is not much Adultswim can do, and their final product might not be good at all (once again, I will allude to Knights of the Zodiac. I loved that show in the past, until I saw what they put on TV and ruined that series for me forever).

ATHF is on Adult Swim and while not constantly violent they do have excessive amounts of blood from time to time. I know they have edited anime in the past, but I can't think of anything they would change in Naruto. Also I didn't notice any changes in Wolf's Rain's violent scenes. *shrug*

There not as bad any more but FCC would still be bitchs about it

trigun was never censored though......maybe some of the profanity i suppose, but the blood was still there
they only aired it late night though

my concern for naruto being licensed, is no more TW or AonE (er, wait it was ANBU that wouldve stopped, right?)

Really, though, Naruto isn't all that Violent. Most violence was censored from the manga or obscured completely already. And what's with all that black blood when Gaara uses Desert Coffin?

Naruto will be juuuust fine if it ends up on adult swim.

Here's something funny to think about:

Ok, so we've got this whole thing of "What would they do to Naruto on Adultswim?" thing going on... They're also about to start running Full Metal Alchemist. I say watch FMA on there, see what doesn't make the cut onto T.V. from the DVDs, and then that'd be what to not expect from the televised version of Naruto. It starts running on AS in like 6 weeks, I think. I actually want to hear the dub, it sounds like the voices I've heard for it are pretty solid, Ed is definitely nailed from what I've listened to. Hoping that they'll sneak the first couple episodes dubbed at A.W.A. this weekend.

But seriously, think of how many insanely messed up things happen in FMA. Its like once every 4 episodes, a kid gets killed or something disasterous and random happens. If they let it go, then there isn't anything they would do to Naruto. But we still gotta wait. I think the fourth episode would be a decent comparison, although definitely the 8th-11th episodes. That's the stuff from Life Alchemist working on his project so he can keep his position to Barry the Butcher.

If Naruto had to go on Tv adult swim is the best place for it, since it would be edited less, but either way that's not going to change that the voice overs would more than likely suck.