I want to do this...I hope I am not just asking for it with this one

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Originally posted by: kaigan
But Hiashi is definitely above jounin lvls. Look at zabuza vs kakashi fight, if it wasn't for naruto, kakashi is dead. I am sure hiashi can take out zabuza without a sweat.

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this is not a fair example to make. kakashi had to protect those helpless genins from getting killed. not only did he have to think of his safety, but the safety of those four other people first. as you saw in the one on one fight at the bridge, zabuza got owned. don't try to take away kakashi's bad ass-ness.

Okay, all of you people who are thinking that this Hiashi vs. Itachi thing would be such an uncallable match up, you're all crazy. We have a little bit of knowledge about Itachi, and you saw Hiashi fight once. It's just really stupid to think of it this way.

However, for the sake of the argument, I'd have to say that Itachi would win. As we do know, though it is small, the Byakugan leaves a small weakness in the back. What's to say Itachi would not exploit this?

Just something to think about.

taking nothin from kakashi, i think thta hiashi is more experienced than kaikashi, and i speculate that he is probably much stronger (even though they say kakashi is the #1 technician in konoha) technique wise. I say thi because even though he probably knows a wide variety of techniques, he is highly specialized in the hyuga style jitsus. And as for kakashi, you know what they say about jacks of all trades...

my conclusion is that we seen little of the two that we can came up with an answer. btw, this match would never happened.

even if the kids wasn't there, zabuza is roughly the same lvl as kakashi. after all, he came from the same place as kisame(sp?), so he can not be taken lightly either.

Ok this is the most retarded forum topic I have read. How in the world do u expect a byakugan user to beat a sharingan user. How can Hiashi beat itachi when he cant even stare at itachi. Plus hiashi and his clan are such wussies because they have to put the swastika crap on the branch family's in case they are stronger than they are. Why do people always try to make reasons for the strongest bad guy in the manga to get beat by some inferior POS. The ones that would put up the best fight would be Jiraiya and Gai. In the end this topic is way too stupid to be even posted.

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Originally posted by: XXUchiha_ItachiXX
Ok this is the most retarded forum topic I have read. How in the world do u expect a byakugan user to beat a sharingan user. How can Hiashi beat itachi when he cant even stare at itachi. Plus hiashi and his clan are such wussies because they have to put the swastika crap on the branch family's in case they are stronger than they are. Why do people always try to make reasons for the strongest bad guy in the manga to get beat by some inferior POS. The ones that would put up the best fight would be Jiraiya and Gai. In the end this topic is way too stupid to be even posted.

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Shut the fuck up, newbie. Nothing you say has any validity in here.

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Originally posted by: XXUchiha_ItachiXX
Ok this is the most retarded forum topic I have read. How in the world do u expect a byakugan user to beat a sharingan user. How can Hiashi beat itachi when he cant even stare at itachi. Plus hiashi and his clan are such wussies because they have to put the swastika crap on the branch family's in case they are stronger than they are. Why do people always try to make reasons for the strongest bad guy in the manga to get beat by some inferior POS. The ones that would put up the best fight would be Jiraiya and Gai. In the end this topic is way too stupid to be even posted.

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1. Sharingan branched off from Byakugen. If there was no Byakugen, then there would be no Sharingan.

2. If they are such wussies then why is there still a clan? Can you say that there is still an Uchiha Clan? With that being said, who's stupid?

Byakugen can pretty much do everything that Sharingan can and more. Byakugen has better insight abilities (and no that doesn't mean seeing through objects). That's the ability to foresee things before it happens. So if they simply wanted to copy jutsus they easily could, it's just that they don't train byakugen in that manner. Neji gave us a clear indication of this when he used byakugen on Hinata during thier fight. When Neji told her to give up and she said that she wouldn't give up because it's her ninja way. Neji read her thought and said that she totally believed in what she said. He did the same thing to Naruto, when Naruto stated that he would be hokage during their fight.

How can Hiashi beat itachi when he can't even stare at Itachi? Simple, because byakugen can see 359 degrees. That means that he can fight even with his back turned to him. Just a couple of touches from Hiashi and no more chakra. That means no sharingan, no water clones, no mange, no nothing but taijutsu.

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Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
Byakugen can pretty much do everything that Sharingan can and more. Byakugen has better insight abilities (and no that doesn't mean seeing through objects). That's the ability to foresee things before it happens. So if they simply wanted to copy jutsus they easily could, it's just that they don't train byakugen in that manner. Neji gave us a clear indication of this when he used byakugen on Hinata during thier fight. When Neji told her to give up and she said that she wouldn't give up because it's her ninja way. Neji read her thought and said that she totally believed in what she said. He did the same thing to Naruto, when Naruto stated that he would be hokage during their fight.

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this is the most incorrect thing i've heard.

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How can Hiashi beat itachi when he can't even stare at Itachi? Simple, because byakugen can see 359 degrees. That means that he can fight even with his back turned to him. Just a couple of touches from Hiashi and no more chakra. That means no sharingan, no water clones, no mange, no nothing but taijutsu.

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but that's the thing. you cannot fight with your back turned, or in any other way, as well as looking directly at them. and since you bring up 'couple of touches from hiashi and no more chakra.' well, ONE look from itachi and death.

Reply believe what you want; it's easy to say that its incorrect. Kakashi said it himself.


Since byakugen vision spans 359 degrees, then it's not really like fighting with your back turned. Can't you see that? Your just no looking into his eyes with your eyes. Byakugen benefits from this vision greatly.

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Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
Reply believe what you want; it's easy to say that its incorrect. Kakashi said it himself.


Since byakugen vision spans 359 degrees, then it's not really like fighting with your back turned. Can't you see that? Your just no looking into his eyes with your eyes. Byakugen benefits from this vision greatly.

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Actually, I think only Neji's Byakugan is 359 degrees in vision. But, I do agree w/HM. Byakugan has a lot going for it.

Byakugan lets you see through anything physical. One of it's greatest strength is simply see your chakra system - and surprise, that means no physical eye contact. All the Byakugan user would see is a silhouette with coils of chakra inside of them. And, that would be an excellent advantage.

If a byakugan user and a Sharingan user who are at the same level fights eachother the byakugan user would have a small advantage since the byakugan user cant cut off the sharingan user chakra. I would like to Neji vs Sasuke or Kakashi or Itachi vs Hiashi just to see what happens.

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Originally posted by: Hotsuma
Shut the fuck up, newbie. Nothing you say has any validity in here.

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way to throw your status around, Hotsuma

that point about hiashi not being able to look at itachi's mange sharingan was something i also pointed out earlier, and having the ability to see all around you would only make you more vulnerable to it.

also the blind spot in the back is NEJI's weakness......im sure hiashi's is more like the size of a needle if any at all. I can assume this because it seems to me that neji was out in the woods training to decrease this blindspot when he was trying to see all the birds

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Originally posted by: Hotsuma
Shut the fuck up, newbie. Nothing you say has any validity in here.

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way to throw your status around, Hotsuma

that point about hiashi not being able to look at itachi's mange sharingan was something i also pointed out earlier, and having the ability to see all around you would only make you more vulnerable to it.

also the blind spot in the back is NEJI's weakness......im sure hiashi's is more like the size of a needle if any at all. I can assume this because it seems to me that neji was out in the woods training to decrease this blindspot when he was trying to see all the birds

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I said what I did, because newbies shouldn't come in here, and automatically say "This thread is stupid" without even having been here w/us.

And, the Byakugan's 360 vision isn't what'll fight the Mangekyou Sharingan. It's the ability to have a different view of him (his chakra field).

yeah i did consider that....it sounded like from kakashi that the only way to negate the powers of the mange sharingan is with another sharingan, but whether or not the chakra view of the byakugan would help or not is pretty much entirely up to kishimoto

I don't think we have seen the sharingan's powers to the extent to which we have been shown the Byukagan's.

How do we know we've seen all of the Byakugan's secrets?

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How do we know we've seen all of the Byakugan's secrets?

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I agree. All we've seen is genins use it. We have seen the difference in Kaiten when Hiashi performs it. Just like there's a difference in Itachi using sharingan and Sasuke using Sharingan. Hiashi's byakugen usage should be extremely badass.

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How do we know we've seen all of the Byakugan's secrets?

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i think we've seen all of it, if not all of the 'devastating' abilities of it. we might not have seen the other little things that it does but there isn't an important enough character to develope with the byukagan. however, sharingan is crucial to the 2nd main character of the story. kishimoto wouldn't have some super secret ability that byukagan has but it won't be developed/shown.

im still waiting for the opportunity for a hyuga to use tenketsu to increase chakra flow, as they had stated at least once or twice so far

Okay, I found a good site while looking for some Naruto maps that has some good information and comparisons between the Byakugan and Sharingan. The site is: http://www.anime-dojo.free-websites.com/catalog.html

Just something for you all to look at and hopefully get some ideas from. For me, though, it really just seems like this fight would come down to what techniques Itachi would start off using. I mean, he'd probably be smart enough to know not to get close to Hiashi, and so could use plenty of jutsus against him. But Hiashi's defence might be so good that all jutsus would be in vain. Who knows.