Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei

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Originally Posted by fireheart

So what I don't get is if flying only requires a set of magic like acceleration etc this should be possible if you keep casting the same thing over and over but change some of the finer points like how much. I mean Tatsuya did cast three of the same magic at different strengths with the loop system without any interference hence I don't get why there is any interference in the first place.

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Loop casting is used to cast the same spell (more or less) repeatedly. We've only seen Tatsuya use it at x3, so unless we see it go beyond x10, it may still subject to the 10x limit.

I wasn't going to watch the material that explained magic, but now I might since the technicalities still seem to be blurry.

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And flying so won't make hitting balls of light easier if everyone else have to jump.

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Flying won't make hitting airborne balls easier? That must be a typo right?

From the explanation, it seems that casting magic continuously in short intervals leaves too much interference that after 10 casts, it will interfere the succeeding casts. To do flying magic that is sustainable for long periods, that issue had to be solved.

A high schooler solved a mystery that baffled the world's researchers forever. Tatsuya is a genius among geniuses.

High altitutude flying should have been done all the time even under this show's conditions. When you are flying high enough, you could just use impulses far enough apart to never reach the limit of 10. Might make the flight not too graceful, but who cares? Closer to the ground and with a need to fly like Miyuki did, with lots of adjustments, it's a different thing. But naturally nobody had thought about that before our super hyper uber genius high schooler did. I wonder what the hell all the other magicians are doing all around the world. Apparently nobody else but Tatsuya is developing anything at all.

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

Loop casting is used to cast the same spell (more or less) repeatedly. We've only seen Tatsuya use it at x3, so unless we see it go beyond x10, it may still subject to the 10x limit.

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I didn't mean the ten cast limit with that, what I meant was when he kept casting the same spell it didn't cause any interference, that's why I think that flying should be possible. Of course thinking about it some more Tatsuya might have just cast them in order of strength but the way I understood it, the way to avoid interference is for the second spell to overwrites the first spell.

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

Flying won't make hitting airborne balls easier? That must be a typo right?

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I was sarcastic, keep forgetting that it doesn't come out in the same way in text.



Checking the episode again they never said that flying isn't possible just that general-purpose flying couldn't be realized. So I'm guessing there are people that can use magic to fly already just that the majority of magicians can't fly using the same method for some reason. But if there's already people that can fly they should have a solid base to research in order to make some sort of flying magic that every magician can use.

Well, we've seen his sister fly to a platform before. I guess she was able to do that because she's good at finely tuned spells and that "high and precise" jump was within the 10 spells limits.
But it really felt like flying.

Flying magic is probably done by others, but not by anyone. That is the point of Tatsuya's invention. Anyone can fly (multi direction and speed at will for a long duration) now, even without ancient knowledge or bloodline skills.

They can levitate and move objects for crying out loud.

Episode 9 - HS





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I've been wondering of late if this show isn't actually bad per se, maybe it's actually really clever. I found myself highly amused during many scenes of this episode, due to finding it so ridiculous. Who's to say that wasn't intentional? Maybe this has been written so that simple-minded people will find this totally awesome and more discerning audience will find this amusing to no end when ludicrous things are presented with a straight face. Maybe this is all by design like the hidden adult humour in animated family films.

The Yotsuba family seems really intelligent in trying to alienate a super hyper mega giga genius like Tatsuya. I don't think the family will remain long one of the numbered, important families with such self-destructive politics. Although if Miyuki becomes the next family head, I guess her walking dildo, Tatsuya, will remain safely within the family's influence as well.

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Originally Posted by Kraco

I've been wondering of late if this show isn't actually bad per se, maybe it's actually really clever. I found myself highly amused during many scenes of this episode, due to finding it so ridiculous. Who's to say that wasn't intentional? Maybe this has been written so that simple-minded people will find this totally awesome and more discerning audience will find this amusing to no end when ludicrous things are presented with a straight face. Maybe this is all by design like the hidden adult humour in animated family films.

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There wasn't much "awesomeness" in this episode given the lack of fights, but I usually find this show both amusing and cool at times... could you elaborate more on which scenes you're actually talking about?

Personally, my favourite scene this episode was where Miyuki was so eager to friendzone the other two girls.

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

There wasn't much "awesomeness" in this episode given the lack of fights, but I usually find this show both amusing and cool at times... could you elaborate more on which scenes you're actually talking about?

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All the scenes where Tatsuya is depicted as a grander being than the second coming of Christ. Nobody else knows or can do shit, unless they possess some skill just so that Tatsuya can humbly point it out and maybe even explain to the person themselves as they all know their own skills worse than Tatsuya, or using their own skill carelessly will create a situation that Tatsuya needs to suddenly appear to solve.

Plenty of such scenes in this episode, just like in every episode so far. They are well past the point where I'd get annoyed by them anymore. Instead watching this show feels like reading Baron Munchausen's exploits.

Indeed.

"Oh, you're so dreamy, and it totally hasn't been obvious from the second episode that you are the legendary weapon designer, but also a master tuner, a super ninja, a genius at schoolwork, an excellent mediator, better than anti-terrorist police at their job, and even an expert cook!~♥~ Any shortcomings you might have...though I really can't think of any -♥-♥-♥-..are covered by your extreme intellect and undeniable skill. "

This is every girl in the entire show, and most of the boys.

I like badass main characters, but they have to be arrogant about it. When someone is emotionless and matter-of-fact that they are perfect at literally every thing they do or try, they come off insufferable. When they're assholes about how good they are, you look forward to enemies fighting them. Those types get pissed when they get shown up at something. They lose control, they start to slip up, it adds tension or uncertainty. Tatsuya's success is just a presumed outcome of any conflict of any kind. It makes the show boring.

His dry humor is his only saving grace.

The fake teacher who is actually an investigator (and of course she's a ninja too...) is just like Tatsuya, only she has some emotions. She comes off so fucking smug about everything she says, and it makes interactions between the two of them exponentially worse.

Honestly, the only thing I liked about this episode was Mizuki and Mayumi.

Mizuki is clearly lying about the extent of her abilities. Her eyes react before she even looks in the general direction of the classroom where he was practicing. It felt like she slipped up revealing that she could see colors in his magic at all. I'm not really sure why she's a Course 2 student. She seems like the type who should be doing what Tatsuya can do, since she can actually discern the subtle differences in magic through a feat similar to synesthesia. An ability without the conceit that Tatsuya has to have of being a super genius with a brain rivaling most super computer clusters, plotting out the effects and interaction in his head. Which makes less sense, because he really doesn't have an idea what kind of power output his opponent will be using to counter it appropriately. Mizuki actually can.

And Mayumi with the reveal from Suzune that Mayumi is trying to seduce Tatsuya using her magical ability. It's probably something she uses on a lot of people. Starts to make you wonder if she is in her position honorably. Moreover, she was slightly bummed about her seduction failing.

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Originally Posted by Ryll

When someone is emotionless and matter-of-fact that they are perfect at literally every thing they do or try, they come off insufferable.

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Funny when you say that, since in this episode he stated he doesn't have a heart to hate (?anymore). That goes along with the theory about how he's some sort of robot.

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Originally Posted by Ryll

Mizuki is clearly lying about the extent of her abilities. Her eyes react before she even looks in the general direction of the classroom where he was practicing. It felt like she slipped up revealing that she could see colors in his magic at all. I'm not really sure why she's a Course 2 student. She seems like the type who should be doing what Tatsuya can do, since she can actually discern the subtle differences in magic through a feat similar to synesthesia. An ability without the conceit that Tatsuya has to have of being a super genius with a brain rivaling most super computer clusters, plotting out the effects and interaction in his head. Which makes less sense, because he really doesn't have an idea what kind of power output his opponent will be using to counter it appropriately. Mizuki actually can.

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Course 1 is all about using magic. Speed, scale and strength essentially. If Mizuki is a master of perceiving magic but can't do much beyond that then she's in Course 2 for the same reason Tatsuya is (though he's got the polyvariable processing power that she doesn't).

As for beating Tatsuya as his own tasks, she might only take the lead an Anti-Spirit combat. Tatsuya can read activation sequences (and guess at the end partway perhaps) on the fly so he can take people out immediately via jamming or otherwise. Given that spirit magic relies on summoning however (which may or may not share the same activation spells), Mizuki's eyes would reveal more information than Tatsuya can gather.

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Originally Posted by Ryll

And Mayumi with the reveal from Suzune that Mayumi is trying to seduce Tatsuya using her magical ability. It's probably something she uses on a lot of people. Starts to make you wonder if she is in her position honorably. Moreover, she was slightly bummed about her seduction failing.

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I thought that was a joke.

This show is really boring to watch.

I don't really have an in-depth analysis as to why i don't like it.

I had trouble reading through the light novel volumes because of how boring the story is so i'd figure to give the anime a shot to see if that would be improved upon. So far, it really hasn't done anything that would warrant further viewing. I usually am a fan of the overpowered main character archetype, but Tatsuya does absolutely nothing to improve the story.

I'll probably give this one or two more episodes, but unless there's a sudden drastic improvement in the story i really can't see myself sticking with this for the full 26 episodes.

I actually think him being emotionless is a gigantic flaw. He said in this episode that his mother was the cause of his current personality, and that he has lost his emotions. He does not even defend himself until Miyuki steps in in any situation. He is indeed robotic, but that does not make him perfect. Since he is actually being criticized for it by the audience and characters, that makes him broken, at least at being human. If he had a refreshing and naturally nice personality on top of all his skills, then I would call him perfect.

Also, most of the characters are actually better than Tatsuya at something. Magicians are specialists. Miyuki can do a crap ton of things he can never do, and so can Katsuto (barriers), Mizuki (seeing spirit colors), etc. Saying that the rest of the characters are useless can wait until we actually see them in action. Erika, Leo, Katsuto and Kendo dude have already showed their prowess, in a much flashier fashion than Tatsuya ever has.

I do agree that there is no tension when it comes to Tatsuya's scenes. He is just too OP for that to exist. It is more of "how he will overcome the situation" instead of "if".

The seduction scene was a joke.

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Originally Posted by Buffalobiian

I thought that was a joke.

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Originally Posted by shinta|hikari

The seduction scene was a joke.

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Then that means this series is so fucking dull that I end up having to make up stories to make it interesting. That could have been a clever facet to her personality. Instead we can assume that everything in the series can be taken exactly at face value. How boring.

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Originally Posted by Dark Dragon

I'll probably give this one or two more episodes, but unless there's a sudden drastic improvement in the story i really can't see myself sticking with this for the full 26 episodes.

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And I can't see how a series this shitty has so many novels and deserves 26 episodes. What an absolute waste of Madhouse's talent. That this series gets 26 and their own other series NGNL is only 12 is a travesty.

Between Photokano, Mahou Sensou, and now this, Madhouse really has fallen quite far in recent seasons.

Madhouse is still doing great work with consistently quality.

I honestly don't know why this series got so popular, but apparently it's selling really well and that's pretty much the only thing that's going to matter when it comes to anime length.

A quick search brought up these sales number from the end of last year. Mahouka was getting double the sales that NGNL was getting.

Putting aside all bias, I think I can answer that.

Anime popularity:
1) The art quality is high, and there are a lot of cute girls.
2) The protagonist is OP but hiding his powers, which is a very popular trope.
3) The fights are animated well.

If you are asking about the light novel:
1) The protagonist is OP but hiding his powers, which is a very popular trope.
2) There is a lot of exposition on the world and powers, which otaku seem to like because less developed LNs have little of that.
3) Incest.
4) It isn't as blatant with fanservice as other shounen light novels.
5) The illustrator draws good art.

NGNL is great but it is directed more towards hardcore anime fans. Half of the jokes or references you will not get if you only watch mainstream anime, like SnK, Fate, etc. The fanservice is also pretty extreme, and that turns off a lot of people. Also, the Mahouka story is more serious, while NGNL is a lot more comedic. Looking at the list in the link, the more serious stories sell more.

Mahouka - 10 [HS]


I guess power corrupts.

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It's more than a little disturbing in the fact that the students ensure that the driver of the crashing SUV is dead by attacking it to save themselves, when they had more than enough ability to stop it more gently. You can excuse the first three for having an abrupt panicked reaction. But the other three (including the uber-genius Tatsuya), make sure the driver is dead, except Miyuki would probably would have saved him if the other guy didn't smash it into a magic concrete wall.

Good Acceptable details:
- Yes, it was a suicide attack.
- Younger student and hotheads act too hastily.
- Additional lives were saved by swift action.

Bad Oversights:
- These are the best students the school has, since they're going on a competition trip.
- Tatsuya stops the magic buildup. Miyuki puts the fire out. Other guy (who we know has more control than that) simply smashes it.
- None of the students except Tatsuya knew it was a suicide attack during the act.
- The hasty students feel bad because they are embarrassed for acting hastily, not that they helped murder someone.
- No one on the bus is concerned that Tatsuya and the police are looking at a clearly a totaled vehicle and dead body within. Even Mari is only concerned about who cleaned up the stacked magic spells so the other two could act "safely".


It's also not so much that the main characters don't care someone just died, but that NONE of the students are even phased a little bit. Tatsuya and Miyuki not caring is fine. More than fine, I'd be pissed if she was upset. We know they're both capable of murder, and both have probably done so. Even the sword guy is fine, same deal. It's all the other girls and the clearly sheltered boys. None of the participants seemed phased that they turned what might have been just a really bad accident into a certain casualty.

It seems a lot more like all of the students get the same insight that only Tatsuya (or Mizuki) would have the ability to notice, and instantly all recognize it as a suicide attack and don't feel guilty in the least. Or they all instantly knew the driver was already dead, which is just as damning.

It's really bad writing.

What made you think Tatsuya ensured the driver died? He simply cancelled the shitstorm that was on the car so that other people could do what they thought was appropriate. I also do not remember Juumonji doing anything other than making magic walls.

And as for worrying about the driver, once emergency services show up it's in their hands.

And as you've said many times, they're students. Let the teachers handle all this.

Uh, that driver is dead.

Spinning out and flipping over things (even having the vehicle catch on fire) is survivable. I've personally seen plenty over the side of the highway, stunned family looking on as their SUV becomes a burnt husk. Being brought from speed to dead stop in under a second is what does the killing.

Tatsuya cleared the mess the other three made so that Jumanji and Miyuki could act. Miyuki acted in such a way that she could have helped save the driver, but crashing into the equivalent of a concrete wall instead of slowly stopping him (which we know he can do) is all Jumanji's fault. Tatsuya is certainly better than that. He invented flight just last episode ffs. He's the master of controlled simple actions like slowing down a sliding car.

(yes, I am misspelling his name on purpose)

Thought the most interesting part was the knowledge that you can lose your magic, didn't think you could lose it. Also that was one weird speech.

I'm guessing most magician is connected to the military in some way or at the very least every school considering they're staying at a military facility which can to some extent explain nobody caring about the driver dying.