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You shouldn't be like a journalist who only picks a single sentence and uses it out of context. I said if she wasn't so anime beautiful (because main female characters in mainstream anime are exceedingly rarely not beauties) she would be close to realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFauli
Most obnoxious people IRL actually have a reason they are, like being stronger, smarter, or more popular than others. Ranta is just a loser with a big mouth who everyone in the party tolerates just because they need each body they can get.
To add, most asses are only asses to strangers or people they don't like. Ranta treats his closest friends like trash.
You just keep describing a realistic person ;PQuote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
I pity you for knowing people like that. Unless you meant yourself, of course.
Man, I hope whenever you marry, itīs a girl thatīs always like "ugh, itīs cold, gotta wear my sweatshirt to cover my shoulders"-type of girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
That's like the nicest attempt at revenge I have ever read. Are you secretly a nice guy?
Sorry if I compared you to Ranta. Ranta would've gone on an outrageous whine-fest after my jab.
Just caught up, and I'm really liking this one.
I see no particular problem with the pace in the context of the type of series this is, it is what it is. I'm not going to complain about an action series having too much action you know? It was fairly evident that this was first and foremost a slice-of-life drama series, that's just how it goes.
My biggest beef is that it's repetitive. I would've liked if we'd venture more into what goes on in all the guilds... their training there, and I'm sure we'd get to meet more (and better) characters that way and break-out a bit of the monotone.
All this to say... GIVE ME MORE FUCKING BARBARA!
Thanks.
But yeah, that's really my biggest complaint that we don't explore more areas/issues outside of what they do day in and day out as it regards with goblins with some very minimal exceptions thrown in.
Repetitiveness is directly related to pacing. They use up so much time to show us the same things over and over and over again, leading the story nowhere.
In fact, I think they used the no-dialogue musical cut-scenes thrice already, if not more, which show roughly the same things. And there are only 7 episodes so far!
Not necessarily in the context of what is being referred to, we could be doing other slow aspects in the episode without progressing the story forward, hence the pace remaining slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Related, but not interchangeable (which is not your point, but you're putting a lot of the onus on it). Most of the complaints I've seen about pace in this thread seem to be talking more about forward progress of the plot, the episodes taking their time to develop... which I'm all fine with in the context of the genre. I don't think we need to rinse and repeat a lot of what's going on in one episode in various others, particularly when there's plenty of other areas that can be at least glimpsed at, and with the assumption that it occurs it also doesn't mean that the pace would get any faster.
There were complaints of slowness in this series from the get-go, without much of a chance for repetitiveness to really get its claws in.
But meh, not interested in the usual battle of semantics.
I will give you the point though in that the repetitiveness does exacerbate the slowness.
I don't think many people would find the pacing so terrible anymore if the repetition was removed and replaced with totally new stuff, even if it still didn't advance the bigger story that much. But when you combine slow progress with repetition, it's quite a deadly combination, and it would be a miracle if it didn't annoy people.
I also think itīs a different experience if Munsu watched all episodes in one go without having to wait a week inbetween each one.
I think you're giving people too much of a benefit of the doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraco
As I said, complaints about slowness where there from the get-go pretty much.
But whatever.
People who complained all the way from the first eps and really meant it shouldn't be watching anymore. I complained quite early, I think, but since I'm still watching, I guess it's not such a big deal after all.
For my part, I think my main gripe has always been with the repetitiveness. Each time I mentioned the word "pacing," I cited an example of the episode showing the same thing the previous one did, or prolonging a scene that doesn't need to be extended that long.
I love SoL shows, but not when they treat the audience like idiots who can't get the point and must be reminded of things again and again. How many times have we seen them stalk goblins at this point?
To summarize, I wouldn't complain at all if they put in enough new content each episode, even if that doesn't push the plot forward, because let's face it, there is no plot.
That's part of my point though... like prolonging scenes, taking their time with things, etc. ARE pretty much staples of slice-of-life drama series of this nature.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
Like some of the repetitiveness exacerbates the issue, but intrinsically this show was going to be slow paced one way or another regardless.
Guess my main point was that complaining that this show is slow is a bit disingenuous since these types of shows are intentionally slow, that's part of the "genre" for the most part... so no use.
I do see more validity in complaining about lack of exploration of other aspects of their daily life though irrespective of pace. Like I see you having problem with the musical scenes, which I think is a valid complaint (I'm not a fan of those either), but not really in the context of slowness (even if we agree that it exacerbates the intrinsic slowness of the series). But I do recognize that it's part of setting up the atmosphere, which is a key component for these types of series, so might as well be prepared to deal with it.
Moving my edits here for visibility:
I just checked where we are in the LN (I haven't read it), and it seems we haven't even finished volume 1 yet. I'm guessing that's why this feels so repetitive and stretched. In text, you can just explain repetition with one line and be done with it. But this show actually goes through the trouble of showing it to the viewers. I'm guessing the 1st volume will end at around episode 8 or 9, which is a bit too much. 3-4 episodes per volume is standard but feels rushed. 6 sounds like a good balance. 9 is clearly too stretched out. This is already a SoL show. There's no need to water down content even further.
A good counter example would be Rokka no Yuusha. The 1st cour actually adapted just the first novel, but it never felt as slow as this. That's because that was an info heavy book with a lot of dialogue and twists. I guess the problem in Grimgar lies in the fact that it is being watered down despite being a slice of life story.
As for why Iīm watching but still complaining: The pace is fucking slow, but itīs not slow necessarily in a bad way on a "per episode"-level. What makes me dislike the slowness is that I know this anime will be done for after 12-13 episodes. Which means we will never get any meaningfull development. Last episode will probably be them becoming good friends with Mary. If weīre lucky, theyīre going to kill the wolf monster that murdered Maryīs group. But it doesnīt feel like weīll ever get to know about why theyīre here, how they could return, how the big evil in this world looks like and how it gets defeated. We would need 100 episodes with the current pacing. Thatīs frustrating. Because Iīd LOVE to watch 100 episodes of this, but thatīs not whatīs going to happen.
I agree with the issue first and foremost is that we're going to get screwed in the end with an incomplete story. Not going to point this as a pace issue, but just the business model of these guys.
Twelve episodes, sell their LNs, and move on.
I do believe I'll be reading the LNs after this, so the model does work. Just not on me cause I don't buy the books...
OVA episode 2.5 preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSILROF4GSY