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That's what I was tryin' to say, hehe.Quote:
Originally posted by: BOARD_of_command
Get over it, Naruto is badass because he's the main character, just like all other main characters in all other shows. The kyuubi aids Naruto's development, which is the ultimate intention of this show. No fun if we just see Naruto getting owned by Itachi for 500 episodes.
PS: Purple Rasengan's suck
The 4th never invented it, it took him 3 years to learn. Jyraiya mentions Naurto and the 4th been alike, because of Narutos will power to not give up.Quote:
Originally posted by: Kovash
Because it's a technique that the 4th invented and only taught his master (Jyraiya)
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Also Naruto was forced to use 1 hand to do the Rasengan, he mentioned he was unable to move his arm, so he would not have been able to use the seal to create another one of himself. He was forced to use 1 hand, and if you look at it, when he started it, it didnt look anywhere near as perfect as when he usually does it, it was all messy and all over the place. I think in about 2 seconds he perfected it. LOL
I don't think Naruto is nothing without the Kyubi, Mut@t@... I still think he'd be at about Kiba's level, minus the dog. Hypothetically. And maybe he'd think a little harder (instead of always acting like an idiot) if he couldn't just beat everyone he knows with his Kyubi advantage? I think he wouldn't be as arrogant as "I WILL BEAT YOU I AM NUMBER ONE" all the time if he got smacked around a little more. Maybe losing this fight to Sasuke will humble him a little. I hope so.
Mut is right. Naruto is all about Kyubi. And plot device too (which is what the kyubi power essentially is)
No, he invented it.Quote:
Originally posted by: Natural Cause
The 4th never invented it, it took him 3 years to learnL
I agree with both BOARD_of_command and xanbcoo Naruto using the power of the kyuubi does not mean he sucks. everyone has something that helps them with there fighting. And I know that it is not exactly the same as neji, whose ability is a bloodlimit with is inherited, but naruto was born with the kyuubi, or atleast recived it right at birth.
So lets take that away. Lets say that naruto did not have the kyuubi, im sure, since he is the main character, that he would have some other ability to help him progress, or all the other characters abilities wont be as advanced as they are now.
When you write a story like naruto, you write it so everything happens for a reason, and no matter what power you give your main character, be it a demon living inside him, or just plain old good ninja skills from lots of practice, everyone around him that you create will reflect the main characters ability so that, in the end, the main character will come out on top.
and im sure some people like there main characters to be more average and the advasaries be much better than them, but naruto is not that way, and i think it's fine the way it is.
Naruto has an enormous well of power even without the Kyuubi, enough to use Tajyuu Kagebunshin, which is a high level technique. Without the Kyuubi he would be dead several times over - just like Neji, Sasuke, Chouji etc etc would be dead without the abilities they inherited.
Duh.Quote:
Originally posted by: xanbcoo
Naruto would be nothing without Kyuubi
Maybe.Quote:
Gaara would be nothing without Shukaku
Wrong. Shikamaru was born with his special characteristic unlike Naruto.Quote:
Shikamaru would be nothing without his high IQ
Wrong. Neji having byakugan doesn't make him awesome, it's his natural born ability to kick ass with what he has makes him awesome.Quote:
Neji would be nothing without his Byakugan
Wrong. All three of them were consider geniuses before they gained Sharingan. They might not be as strong as they are now without it, but they sure didn't suck ass like Naruto before Naruto found out his Kyubi abilities.Quote:
Itach/Sasukei would be nothing without their sharingan
Kakashi would be nothing...
A shitty one.Quote:
a pattern perhaps?
Characters are badass because of what they can do with or without the powerups.Quote:
How about, the characters are badass because of what they have, not because of what they'd be like without these things? Sounds good.
You cannot compare Kyubi to the Curse Seal. Ultimately, the Kyubi annihilates everything when it's compared in terms of power, stamina, and healing ability.Quote:
Actually, I agree that some characters do have an unfair advantage, such as Kyuubi and the Curse Seal, but whatever.
Never was it said that he invented it. After looking back at episode 87, he said.Quote:
Originally posted by: Y The Alien
No, he invented it.Quote:
Originally posted by: Natural Cause
The 4th never invented it, it took him 3 years to learnL
"This is a ninja technique that the Fourth Hokage left."
"It took three whole years for the Fourth to complete this technique."
So i don't think he 'invented' it.
I agree. Did they get some new people in there or what? The movie reminded me how bad these new draws really are.Quote:
Originally posted by: t Mrx8st
I thought this episdoes graphics were crappier than the last episode.
The fight between Sasuke and Naruto was ok, it wasn't that great.
before sasuke was headed to the sound the 4 came to get sasuke and they beated him up but then when neji chouji shikomonaru kiba beated up the 4 (with a little sand help) does that mean sasuke was stronger then them at first?
That's debatable. It had been said by Jyraiya (as I mentioned in my previous post) that the nature of the Kyuubi's sealing was disruptive to Naruto's ability to control his Chakra, and the double seal was to allow his body to slowly assimilate the power without killing him. We KNOW Naruto has huge Chakra because of what he does without the Kyuubi (the only technique he's used with it the the Kychiose) everything else has been pure Naruto.Quote:
Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Kovash. Naruto is NOTHING without the Kyubi. It would've taken Naruto possibly decades to be able to do the rasengan the way he can if he didn't have........ KYUBI TO HEAL ALL OF HIS INJURIES OVER NIGHT. Seriously, Naruto has huge ass advantage when it comes to training. He just cannot get tired as easily as everyone else can.
Kyubi > you.
Naruto is very tricky, his life as a prankster apparently has lent him some quick thinking - he does not have forethought, like Shikamaru, but he can damn well improvise when the situation requires it, and THAT is what makes him great.
As for the training advantage, you could say that, if his Chakra control wasn't impared he wouldn't need to be constantly revived because he would perfect it MUCH faster than he could while inhibited.
the kyubi seal doesnt effect his chakra control, what effected it was the extra seal that oro gave him in the forest, which was later removed by jiraiya
That would be correct. Jyraiya talks about the four seal that the fourth placed on naruto, and mentionsQuote:
Originally posted by: basey_69
the kyubi seal doesnt effect his chakra control, what effected it was the extra seal that oro gave him in the forest, which was later removed by jiraiya
"It is set up so that the chakra of the Nine-Tails can leak out from the four season seals and be converted into his own."
"But that has been stoped by the Five Element Seal."
"An odd numbered seal on top of an even numbered seal His chakra and the Chakra of the Nine-Tails mix inconsistently, so it has become unstable."
So basically Kyubi's chakra is been added to narutos.
I was waiting for someone to mention this...Quote:
Originally posted by: basey_69
the kyubi seal doesnt effect his chakra control, what effected it was the extra seal that oro gave him in the forest, which was later removed by jiraiya
Yes, the 5th element seal screwed up Naruto's Chakra control (yet he still manages a crud load of Kage Bunshins...?) but Jyraiya also says that the Kyuubi chakra screws up Naruto anyway, and that only recently has it been mixing properly.
I don't have the anime episode anymore, so I'll try and find the Manga and point out where he says it.
actually, neji doesnt deny that his hyuga traits make him the awesome ninja that he is.......
in fact, he built his own beliefs that the traits a person is born with affects their fate
but so what? he wouldnt be a genius type if he didnt have superior abilities
Sigh, Yondaime did invent the Rasengan and took him 3-4 years to master it...
No, it hasn't. Kyubi chakra has been mixing with Naruto's ever since he was born. Technically, Naruto doesn't have a chakra of his own anymore.Quote:
Originally posted by: Kovash
That's debatable. It had been said by Jyraiya (as I mentioned in my previous post) that the nature of the Kyuubi's sealing was disruptive to Naruto's ability to control his Chakra, and the double seal was to allow his body to slowly assimilate the power without killing him.We KNOW Naruto has huge Chakra because of what he does without the Kyuubi (the only technique he's used with it the the Kychiose) everything else has been pure Naruto.
That, or, the ability to go http://img93.echo.cx/img93/6172/emotssj0jw.gif and use brute force to destroy everyone.Quote:
Naruto is very tricky, his life as a prankster apparently has lent him some quick thinking - he does not have forethought, like Shikamaru, but he can damn well improvise when the situation requires it, and THAT is what makes him great.
Who cares about shitty chakra control when he can just turn into a youma? The reason why Naruto has shitty chakra control is to not give the main character every advantage and balance out the massive Kyubi power. Same with the Naruto's shitty taijutsu. Imagine what he could do if his specialty was the omote renge instead of kage bunshin.Quote:
As for the training advantage, you could say that, if his Chakra control wasn't impared he wouldn't need to be constantly revived because he would perfect it MUCH faster than he could while inhibited.
yeah, but I think I've said this before somewhere...
If naruto never had kyuubi chakra than he would not be hated, so he would grow up "normally" we can assume he would still be orphaned, because we don't know if the seal had anything to do with that, perhaps they died fighting the fox demon. So he would have normal chakra, which means he would have been able to do ninjutsu and genjutsu from the beginning. We take away his thirst for acknowledgement, his made regen, his physical strength and speed.
So he's a normal kid. He wouldn't have any family path, like EVERY other ninja ever, except perhaps rock lee (we don't really know about temari) so odds are naruto would be working at the ramen shop washing dishes.
sasuke's 'arms' or 'wings', whatever u wanna call it looks so fking gay. makes him even more of a faggot.