I officially hate Borguetti.
I do.
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I officially hate Borguetti.
I do.
k Holland just got pwned.. not rly but it was an amusing game to watch. Esspacialy when you see your friends freak out.
Germany vs Sweden was nice. Germany took them out in the beginning. I think Sweden got demoralized. Brazil vs. Ghana will be nice. Could the underdogs do it?
ecuador vs england.
damn. nothing great happened on either team but eventually on the 60th minute beckam scored. it was a pity though because ecuador has so many chances. damn the even hit the top of the goal bar !! i think i was going for ecuador....:D but yeah it didnt really live up to the expectations but it wasnt that terrible of a match.
should be noted : valencia is a cutie :D
one day to go...Italy vs Australia :D!!!
As a swede i have to disagree. That game sucked, we performed pitiful. We should have started the same way as we did against England but the coach didn't think that was a good idea for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkmetal505
At least England is in the quarters now. I want to see them go to the finals as they got a swedish coach.
Did you see the face of the referee when he gave larsson a red card.. He was just enjoying it..
He gave Lucic a red card but yea that referee was an asshole. He should be banned from judging World Cup games after behaving like that, i know the feeling of getting a red card of a smirking referee, you just want to give hem a big one to the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turkish-S
I was really hoping Sweden would play as well against Germany as they did against England...was gutted to see them play so badly as the Germans just get more and more confident, when their team is supposed to be pretty poor by German standards (so I hear...I don't know much about their players besides their obnoxious whining goalkeeper).
As for the red card - that referee should be punished, grinning moronically at the player you are (wrongly) sending off in one of the biggest games they will ever play is one thing, but it looked as if he only booked him cos two German players asked him to. Before that he just seemed to give the free kick, and it looked like it was the German players whining that got the guy sent off.
The amount of diving in the tournament is annoying me a bit. Borgetti was doing my head in during the Argentina match. Players telling the refs to book or send players off is also out of order, they should be booked or sent off themselves for doing that stupid 'waving card' gesture. Too many soft players in football...
England weren't that good again, but at least we restricted Ecuador to only one real chance (when they hit the bar - great block by Cole). Most of their other chances were pretty insignificant.
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Australia just got raped by the ref in their game. Last minute penalty was a bit of a joke, and very harsh on them. Maybe the Italians have bought off yet another ref. ;)
They penalty was fair. Noone can complain about whether it was technically a penalty or not because it was. However you dont usually see referees give penalties like those in such tight situations. On the other hand, the straight red card on Materazzi was harsh. He deserved a yellow but not a straight red. (there have been a lot of unnecessary bookings in this tournament that have severely affected the games)Quote:
Originally Posted by Swallow Your Soul
Australians played well in the second half once Italy were down to ten men but Buffon and Cannavaro held in there to keep Italy in the game. I dont think its the really the ref's FAULT for what happened in the end although you do have to feel for Australia who strategized well and came so close. The Italians got lucky on this one.
I agree the sending off was very harsh, and I was joking about the 'buying the ref' thing because of stuff that happened in their domestic league. I do believe the ref made an honest decision, but that he made it wrong.
But it definitely shouldn't have been a penalty. I don't criticise the Italian player who went down, as I wouldn't exactly complain if an English player did that and we went through as a result...however, Neill was just on the floor and the Italian guy ran into him and fell over him deliberately looking for the penalty. The Italian deliberately made contact with the Australian (not the other way around) in order to con the ref and win a penalty. And it worked.
To the ref it will no doubt have looked genuine, but the right decision would have been not to give it.
warning: foul language
:mad: wat ever. that was fkn bullshit. we dominated the last half and that wasnt a f'n foul. That was shit. that red card wasn't a deserved one either but that last "penalty" outweighed the red card cuz it was so fkn harsh:mad: . unbelievable. wtf is with the effing referees? Centre of the drama again. for f*k's sake. their defence was good as was expected but when the second half sstarted aussie become so much more aggressive and overall were the dominators of the match. They even suprised me. the way they started the match keeping their cool, playing their game and not fazed by the fact that they were playing the world 13, 14 or 15 or what ever. "Don't play the importance of the match just play the game." australia have played such a fantastic and memorable and high quality world cup so far and to go home in that kind of fashion is so fkn stupid and unfknfair.
damn im so shitty right now. cant even talk man.
fkn referees:mad:
edit: oh boy i was grumpy. :D calmed down now!.
Yeah the penalty call was a bit harsh. But well, it's not easy being a referee, and being human is part of the game too. And before you know it, 4 years would have passed again.....
I will be watching the Brazil Ghana match today. Let's hope the Brazilians remind us what being world champions mean.
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Originally Posted by msmush
I don't real think you can say that a particular decision outweighed the other. Had Italy not received the red card it would have been a completely diff game. Toni wouldn't have had to come off and between Totti and Toni, plenty of chances could have been created. Don't underestimate the pyschological effect a red card has on a team. Italy were the better team in the first half with better chances but they fell apart in the second half BECAUSE of the red card. The red card was horrible and so was the penalty. The referees have been retarded in this tournament. They make a horrible decision in one direction and then try to correct it be making an even worse one in the other direction. No one can argue about the fact that the officials have had serious problems in doing their job right in this tournament
The timing of the penalty probably makes Australia unluckier in my opinion. Even though the game did change on the red card more in Australias favour, if I had a choice between getting a guy harshly sent off half way through, or to get a bad penalty decision against you in the last minute when there is no time at all to get back into it (if I remember right it was the last kick of the game), I'd go with having a guy sent off. Of course in theory it should make it easier for the team with 11 men to score, but as in this case, going down to 10 doesn't necessarily mean you'll lose. It is never a good thing to get a guy sent off but at least you are still in with a chance of winning.
Last nights game was absolutely abysmal, thank christ the Swiss went out. Teams who play that negatively deserve to go out. Typical that I fell asleep and missed most of Portugal v Holland which was meant to be ace, and yet I saw the entire Swiss game. Good to see Ronaldo beat the record today, pretty good goal as well.
They need to sort the offside rule out - for Brazil's second goal today the guy started out offside at the start of the move but looked just onside (at least by previous standards...he was partly in line with the defender) when he put the ball in. 2 years ago that would normally have been disallowed, the new version of the rule is too confusing...
The Australian defender was simply a moron, he had no reason to try a slide tackle at the moment, and it was a bad one at that. There's no reason to argue against the penalty kick, a foul is a foul, blame the Australian defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swallow Your Soul
There is no new version to the offside rule. That goal was an offside. The linesman just got it wrong (SURPRISE SURPRISE!). That was a mistake on the part of the officials. The Ghanians were completely justified in complaining about that goal. The initial pass wasnt offside as the player perfectly timed it, but the subsequent pass to adriano was clearly offside. Check out the highlights at the official website and you will see adriano in an obvious offside postionQuote:
Originally Posted by Swallow Your Soul
Also going down to ten men isnt the bad thing. However it screws up your game plan completely. Italy had to replace a decent striker with a defender and they started worrying about not conceding instead of scoring. The card changed the atmosphere and tempo of the game.
Lucas Neill has been outstanding this entire cup and has been a main contributer to Australias historical feat this World Cup. Theres plenty of reason to argue against that penalty kick. The penalty given was harsh, very harsh as was the straight red card. Regardless of that match though, the Soccerroos team should be acknowledged for getting this far in the tournment, congratulated on their mammoth effort, their improvement in the last year and their effort against many of the worlds greatest teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budweineken
note: ive calmed down.
Watched the online highlights and played that bit in slow motion a couple of times and it's still hard to tell if he is offside at the second the ball is played, considering the benefit of the doubt is normally given to the striker, I can't really blame the linesman for that one as I'm still not even sure myself. The first through pass that led to the goal (the one before the pass I think you're talking about) wasn't shown on the online highlights but when they were shown on TV Adriano was offside, but the commentators were debating as to whether he was active since the pass didn't go to him...but the move ended with him and that is what I wasn't sure about, you can be offside as long as you don't interfere with play, but if you score at the end of the move doesn't that mean you've interefered by the end of the move? In the past I'm pretty sure it would have, maybe not in the new rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by splash
The offside rule WAS revised some time over the last year, as all that stuff about 'being active' came in, which is why you now see people standing in offside positions prior to free kicks being taken. That came in as a result of the revision to the rule, I remember the first time it happened over here when Van Nistelroy (sp) did it. It's been a big talking point over here. Quick google brought this from Wikipedia:
"Determining whether a player is in "active play" can be complex. FIFA issued new guidelines for interpreting the offside law in 2003 and these were incorporated in law 11 in July 2005." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offside_law_(football)
As for Neill going to ground, yeah that was a bad decision by him, even though I don't think it was a penalty, it gave the guy the excuse to run into him and go to ground. Italian guy did what all strikers would do in that situation and made the contact and went over to win the pen. If it had been Viduka at the other end, he'd have done the same given the chance.
msmush - if it was a foul, then it should have been a penalty as it would have meant he had prevented an opportunity to score. I think the Italian took advantage of the situation and initiated the contact himself and won a penalty which was a bit harsh on Australia.
In a way though, Australia got lucky with a penalty decision earlier on - if Japan had got the penalty they deserved AGAINST Australia then maybe Australia wouldn't have gone on to win and make it past the group stage in the first place.