Gundam Battle

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Deblas
Your right. So lets go through this step by step. I like Owning you.

Wing zero custom arsenal include two small machine guns in his shoulders, a sword, and the blaster. Now, you tell me if machine guns affect phase shift, No. Will he be able to compete against Kira with a sword? while Kira has a shield, seed mode, and speed while the custom does not, although he might never even get to reach the freedom in time for close combat cause of the freedom's clearly superior arsenal, so No. So that gives him his last resort which is the blaster in which I already explained it in my last post.

No, you're wrong. Heero's gundam has the zero system, clearly more superior than the lame system Kira's gundam operates on. But Kira has SEED mode, which is for pussies I might add. Granted SEED does give you hightened reactions times, it has nothing on the zero systems ability to predict the next moves. Kinda like... mmm I don't know, the sharingan? Fast reaction time isn't going to work against someone who is already steps ahead of you. Kira's toy does have more weapons, but it all depends on who is piloting it. What's the point of having 40 plasma blasters if the opponent is a better fighter than you are? Kira's extra weaponry is clearly there to make up for the shitty piloting.

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Mut, if you thought THAT post of his was annoying, try sticking around for the ep discussions. [img][/img]

It's actually one of the reasons why I don't join serious discussions in here. Some people's Gundam e-cocks are clearly way bigger than others and they need to make sure everyone is aware.

[PTX-003C]

Originally posted by: Deblas

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
That's one of the dumbest responses ever. ALL super cannon blasters in every gundam series has the exact same effect. One shot can decimate everything and anything that is 500 yards in the radius of the beam.

The blaster takes around 5 seconds to charge you idiot. That alone gives the Freedom enough time to fly up and cut him with his sword or just shoot the hell out of him. And if he did get the chance to fire it, then its obvious its not gonna hit him dead on which leaves the radius part but can it affect the Freedom with his phase shift armor? Speed and agility can win over strenght which in the case of the freedom, it has both.


So whats your reply Mut@t@? You seem to be losing the argument. [img][/img]

freedom does not have PS armor...it has TS armor
and PS armor only blocks physical attacks...not beam attacks

[Curium]

Originally posted by: PTX-003C
freedom does not have PS armor...it has TS armor
and PS armor only blocks physical attacks...not beam attacks

Acctually Freedom does have Phase Shift. The only ones with the Trans-Phase Shift armor were Forbidden, Calamity, and Raider. The Trans-Phase was designed so it wouldn't need as much power as the regular PS armor. With Freedom and Justice it wasn't necessary since the nuclear power supply wasn't going to run out on them. Also, They were based on the 4 stolen gundams, at the time ZAFT built them they Trans-Phase hadn't been introduced into combat yet and ZAFT probably didn't know about it yet. In fact they still may not. Why would they build their newer models with regular Phase Shift since they don't have Nuclear reactors so conserving power would be useful.

[Kirakun]

Originally posted by: Curium

Originally posted by: PTX-003C
freedom does not have PS armor...it has TS armor
and PS armor only blocks physical attacks...not beam attacks

Acctually Freedom does have Phase Shift. The only ones with the Trans-Phase Shift armor were Forbidden, Calamity, and Raider. The Trans-Phase was designed so it wouldn't need as much power as the regular PS armor. With Freedom and Justice it wasn't necessary since the nuclear power supply wasn't going to run out on them. Also, They were based on the 4 stolen gundams, at the time ZAFT built them they Trans-Phase hadn't been introduced into combat yet and ZAFT probably didn't know about it yet. In fact they still may not. Why would they build their newer models with regular Phase Shift since they don't have Nuclear reactors so conserving power would be useful.

OWNED!! Looks like teh fanboy doesn't know everything. Btw I'm gonna have to go with either Freedom or the DX. Until I see something from Super Freedom....and I know it's gonna change my vote....I'll go with those two.

[PSJ]

then i guess freedom or any other suit that is up against your wing zero just needs to get the hell out of the way while watching wing zero destroy itself. wouldnt be to hard.

[Mut]

Try making sense or at least understand what I'm talking about.

[Guardian_2000]

Why don't you try and think about making sense before criticizing other peoples posts. Specify what suits your even talking about. And give the name of the weapon you are referring to. If you are talking about the Wing Zero Custom from EW it used the Twin Buster Rifle. It fell apart because it was getting shot all to hell by the serpents and fired off the gun in the atmosphere.

The gun isn't a beam or anything. Its seems to fire some form of plasma I think. Its not an energy beam or a laser. Anyways for all that power behind it the thing can only fire 3 shots. Or it can seperate the rifle for 6 shots. Either way its unimpressive. I don't know why they gave the Wing Zero such a limited arsenal while making it the main suit.

So Mutata help us out here and give us alil bit more of a clearer answer. Thanks

[Mut]

Guardian_2000, shut up with your elite Gundam knowledge. Trying to flex that to me means absolutely nothing in this type of thread where the 'conclusion' ends up being a personal preference. I'll be honest, the only gundam series I clearly remember are GW and GS/D. I have seen other earlier ones a long time ago, but I barely remember them. And I don't bother learning the names of most mobile suits, characters, gundams, etc. But I do know one thing for sure. All gundam series give a gundam with really powerful beam/laser/plasma cannons/rifles (like I give a shit what it really is) that can obliterate anything around the fired beam/laser/whatthefuckever. For example, Kira's gundam could fire one shot into a mass wave of gundams or mobile suits and all we'll see is just bright circles that represent explosions. So the target doesn't even need to be hit directly, it just needs to be in the vicinity of the destruction. That's the only point I'm trying to get at. Now, get off my dick. Thanks.

[Terracosmo]

Mut, if you thought THAT post of his was annoying, try sticking around for the ep discussions. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Rik]

I agree with Mutata. Heero won't use his trump card as the first thing. He will probably start things off close combat using a beam sword. That way he can keep Freedom in close range not allowing Freedom to use his 5 blaster thingy. This can put Freedom in a tight spot. By the way, I think Wing Zero is just as fast as Freedom, or even faster.

[Y]

God Gundam easily destroys everything.

Or the one from Z that (while powered up by all kinds of bullshit) took a fleet out by itself.

[XwingRob]

Oh wait, I found the most powerful Gundam.
Called the "4Kids Gundam" it's awsome arsenal of Dubbing and Editing Ray Guns turns all of its enemies to shit.

Haha, I'm so witty.

[Mut]

Argument won. Deblas pissed. Mission accomplished.

[FelixZeroAlastor]

Well then how about this. Since it is obviously not known weather two superior gundams from a different series would win a battle how about this. Take both Heero and Kira and put them in different less powerful mobile suits or even better stick them in the same type of suit. This would be completely more fair than freedom vs wing zero custom.

And anyways if it were really freedom vs zero Kira would own Heero seeing as Kira could just equip the Meteor unit to his gundam. I mean come on. The zero system can only go so far and Heero's ability as a pilot isn't so far advanced to allow him to dodge each and every of the 50+ shots that come at him. In the show Kira used it to blow up nukes and disable suits. He never even tried to aim it all at just one suit if I remember correctly. And even while he is firing this mass arsenal the 4 beam weapons on the Freedom are fired also. I am also pretty sure that this is a fight to the death so Kira would be in kill seed mode. Further more in the fight with Providence Kira somehow by a miracle managed for a time to keep the dozens of beams from its 11 artillery cannons from even touching the freedom and the meteor while reflecting some of them with his two gigantic light sabers(like a Jedi reflects Blaster shots). And with the Meteor equipped he should have superior flight capabilities. I also assume that this battle would be in space. If this was a fight to the death and they were both in kill mode Heero and Zero would get schooled. Kira is already his own freaking army with Freedom alone. With the Meteor he could probably take on the world if he wanted. The only pilot I see even coming close to being able to defeat Kira is Athrun. Weather if you're a Kira-fan or a Heero-fan I have provided the facts right here. Even if you want Heero to live that is completely irrelivant (people wanted Heine to live but that didn't stop him from dying).

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Argument won. Deblas pissed. Mission accomplished.

Actually if you don't contradict me now, Then you lost. But I can understand if you can't think of anything else to say. I woudn't expect more from a barber trainee who can't even afford to leave a fan turned on at night. Ohh well. Guess some people are born to fail. Its a good thing I'm getting a Puertorican education. Just being bilingual gives me an advantage.

Now then, Like I said last time:

What the hell don't you understand. Are you really that dense? Although the zero has the zero system he will only be able to use as a defensive, not offensive cause if the freedom attacks then he will predict it and dodge it. When zero attacks, the freedom with his superior reflexes, would dodge it. So he could go with his best attack. the BLASTER, which is limited! and if he uses the blaster then the freedom will own him. If he doesn't then we won't be able to determine who wins cause they will just keep dodging each other. So Im gonna finish this by saying that the Freedom will win. Why? cause I want to. Like you want the zero to win. But your an asshole racist, so no one cares about your opinion.


Contradict me.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: Deblas
What the hell don't you understand. Are you really that dense? Although the zero has the zero system he will only be able to use as a defensive, not offensive cause if the freedom attacks then he will predict it and dodge it.

The best offense is a good defense. Sucka.

When zero attacks, the freedom with his superior reflexes, would dodge it.

So? With that same logic, if the Freedom attacks, Wing Zero with its superior system, would dodge it.

So he could go with his best attack. the BLASTER, which is limited! and if he uses the blaster then the freedom will own him.

So? Heero knows what Kira would do next and even what he'll do after that. Heero doesn't need to resort to using the twin buster rifle. All he needs is thrust a beam saber into Kira's face. And please don't tell me that the beam saber won't damage FREEDOM'S SUPER CRAZY GOD ARMOR.

If he doesn't then we won't be able to determine who wins cause they will just keep dodging each other. So Im gonna finish this by saying that the Freedom will win. Why? cause I want to. Like you want the zero to win. But your an asshole racist, so no one cares about your opinion.


Contradict me.

Well, I'll finish this by saying that the Wing Zero will win. Why? Cause I want to. Like you want the Freedom to win. But you're Deblas, so no one cares about your opinion.

Contradict me.

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@

Originally posted by: Deblas
What the hell don't you understand. Are you really that dense? Although the zero has the zero system he will only be able to use as a defensive, not offensive cause if the freedom attacks then he will predict it and dodge it.

The best offense is a good defense. Sucka.

When zero attacks, the freedom with his superior reflexes, would dodge it.

So? With that same logic, if the Freedom attacks, Wing Zero with its superior system, would dodge it.

So he could go with his best attack. the BLASTER, which is limited! and if he uses the blaster then the freedom will own him.

So? Heero knows what Kira would do next and even what he'll do after that. Heero doesn't need to resort to using the twin buster rifle. All he needs is thrust a beam saber into Kira's face. And please don't tell me that the beam saber won't damage FREEDOM'S SUPER CRAZY GOD ARMOR.

If he doesn't then we won't be able to determine who wins cause they will just keep dodging each other. So Im gonna finish this by saying that the Freedom will win. Why? cause I want to. Like you want the zero to win. But your an asshole racist, so no one cares about your opinion.


Contradict me.

Well, I'll finish this by saying that the Wing Zero will win. Why? Cause I want to. Like you want the Freedom to win. But you're Deblas, so no one cares about your opinion.

Contradict me.

Hehe. No problem Mut [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Its obvious that the beam sword will cut through PS armor. We have seen it done it the series. But, Kira has one thing that the zero doesn't have. A shield. A shiel would give him the advantage in defense, so the freedom has superior reflexes and a shield to boot. And don't go on saying he doesn't need a shield because of the zero system cause he can't predict Freedoms every move. Same with Kira who can't dodge his way out everytime using his reflexes but, he has a shield so when he can't move out of the way, he would just shield himself. And when Heero can't predict himself out he won't have any other defensive, giving the freedom the chance to attack.

This is doing wonders for my post count. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[Mut]

Heero doesn't need a shield when he knows exactly where to be at the time of Kira's vulnerability.

[Deblas]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Heero doesn't need a shield when he knows exactly where to be at the time of Kira's vulnerability.

Like I said. Its bound to fail sometime.

[FelixZeroAlastor]

Originally posted by: Deblas

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
Heero doesn't need a shield when he knows exactly where to be at the time of Kira's vulnerability.

Like I said. Its bound to fail sometime.

Heero's Zero System alredy failed him once before. In endless waltz he barely held his own agianst Nataku and in the end fell. If Heero's zero system is so superior then why couldn't he defeat Nataku with ease. The answer is because the Zero system is not perfect.

As for Heero's buster rifle he didn't even try to use it agianst Nataku. Why you ask? If he was to pull the trigger while the two guns were connected and Nataku moved out of the way he would've ultimately been screwed. Heero first has to aim the rifle, charge the shot, then fire the gun while taking its massive recoil. This can also be applied to a battle with Kira except for one difference. If Heero misses then Kira will blast him to oblivion. The only thing that the EW Zero has as a shield is its wings but that will render him temporarily blind which is something he cannot afford.