Episode 30 Discussion "Spoilers"

[Terracosmo]

But lol,

if he went with Stellar to the EA base he would...

1) abandon all his friends (and the promise with Rey would be broken)
2) DIE

That just makes no sense. He wants to help Stellar out no matter what but there must be limits.
"Setting up Neo" ????? I am betting he actually WANTS to trust Neo since he has you know... NO OTHER CHOICE THAN TO DO SO...?

You seriously need to contain your obvious hatred for Shinn and stop making up such ridiculous theories.

Edit: Also, what Mut said (even though it was roughly the same thing... hoho)

[Shadowthor]

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[DDBen]

Originally posted by: Mut@t@
This is crazy. You're making it sound like Shinn handed Stellar over to Neo to make himself feel better. He did what he could have. Him going over to Neo's ship would've been a horrible decision considering... THEY ARE ENEMIES.

You can't blame him for having trust in Neo. Shinn is just a kid, he's an idiot. But he is doing what he thinks is best for the situation and especially to protect Stellar.

I don't like Shinn cuz he is a brat, but you're trying to make Shinn out to be the most selfish person ever, which is completely untrue.

Actually Mut@t@ thats exactly what I said Shinn handed over Stellar to Neo so he would feel better that is 100% what I am saying.

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
But lol,

if he went with Stellar to the EA base he would...

1) abandon all his friends (and the promise with Rey would be broken)
2) DIE

That just makes no sense. He wants to help Stellar out no matter what but there must be limits.
"Setting up Neo" ????? I am betting he actually WANTS to trust Neo since he has you know... NO OTHER CHOICE THAN TO DO SO...?

You seriously need to contain your obvious hatred for Shinn and stop making up such ridiculous theories.

Edit: Also, what Mut said (even though it was roughly the same thing... hoho)

As a matter of fact to Terra and Mut@t@ I agree he would abandon his shipmates however I really don't see Shinn's relationship with everyone as true friendship more of a means to an end for his revenge. Also I do agree it would be almost certain death to go over to the EA ship to attempt to protect Stellar however it would be a selfless act instead of a selfish one. That basically makes out everything I have stated. Shinn took the easy way out instead of actually protecting her he left her to Neo so that he could do so. If Neo does not protect her who does Shinn blame? The answer is obviously not himself he blames Neo and in turn by handing her over to Neo in such a fashion requesting a promise that rationally Neo could not keep is simply a way to avoid guilt on himself when what he knows will happen will.

I agree Shinn is just a kid and more then likely does not have the kind of adult reasoning I'm using on the situation. That is exactly why I don't believe Shinn has yet to grow in the slightest and will not until he accepts responsability for his own actions. Heck Shinn made matters WORSE during the last battle and then attacked Athrun who was the only reason shinn didn't have himself shot down and more then likely killed in that battle. Shinn mearly uses everyone else as a excuse while not taking responsability for any failures why he takes credit for any success he had.

I also don't believe anyone can argue that Kira wouldn't have slaughtered Shinn had Athrun not taken one for the team defending him.

[Kovash]

This is my take on the subject;

Shinn originally feels pity for Stellar because he thinks she was a child who's family was destroyed by war (her rantings about death being bad summerised this, PLUS what he told Athrun afterwards) then those feelings compound when he finds out that she's a drugged up tool for the emeny with no choice but to fight where she probably doesn't want to.

I highly doubt that Shinn expects Neo to keep his promise, that's why he gave Stellar that pink thing back - remember his line as he hands it to her; "Don't forget, Stellar. Don't forget me."

He knows that the Extended can have their memory wiped and that it's possible Neo will do that and put her in a suit anyway, but he had no choice and so does whatever he could to ensure that she would, atleast fight back.

As for him killing her - the painful look on his face when he asks Neo to "keep her away from dangerous things like Mobile Suits, or anything than can bring her to harm" shows that he knows he might end up fighting her, and he doesn't want that.

Shinn is a selfish brat motivated by revenge, but he's capable of compassion and he's not the blitghering idiot people make him out to be. Well, that's my opinion anyway.

[monkeyman]

All I'm going to say is i still think Stellar is what started to change him. And i hope that the change keeps up.

[naruto22]

Well, I was about to post my share of Shin bashing but I think my thoughts more or less mirror DDBEN.

I will give Shinn the chance of redeeming himself though. At the moment, the only possible avenue I see that happening is through Stellar. Whether it will be her Death that will be the catalyst or something else happening between the two is yet to be seen.

Remember, during Gundam Seed, we probably thought it was the end of the friendship between Kira and Asuran when Kira killed Nicol (Blitz pilot.) And then came the titanic fight when Asuran killed Tolle and the two practically went berserk on each other. In the end, when they were both calm and quiet, they knew they were wrong in doing so, and so took another path so that they won't have to fight another again: by not taking sides in an unjust war.

A similar thing might happen in Destiny. How I am not sure, but as we all speculate, Stellar will probably be mindwipped and put in a Mobile Suit again and the two will battle once again.

Situation A: ideal situation
Shinn fights Stellar and somehow finds out shes in the suit but she has no memories of him. The two fight and somehow, both manage to destroy each other's suit. Shinn gets rescued by Archangel of all things and then maybe Kira can undo the rage. Crew of Archangel, who probably doing quite a bit of intelligence gathering, will rescue Stellar as well from EA clutches. Shinn breaks down on seeing Stellar again, then will mellow somewhat and start listening to other people for once/

Situation B: ideal situation for Shinn haters
Shinn DEFIINITELY KILLS Stellar, goes psycho, kills everything in sight, then gets sliced and diced by Kira, who will put him in a straight jacket and lock up in the Archangel so that he can be the star of the show again. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Anyway, my point, for Shinn lovers, you all may be right that Stellar is Shinn's best chance for redemption. Otherwise, I agree that Shinn is a selfish spoilt brat that makes even Frey Alster look like Mother Teressa in comparison.

[DDBen]

Originally posted by: naruto22
Situation A: ideal situation
Shinn fights Stellar and somehow finds out shes in the suit but she has no memories of him. The two fight and somehow, both manage to destroy each other's suit. Shinn gets rescued by Archangel of all things and then maybe Kira can undo the rage. Crew of Archangel, who probably doing quite a bit of intelligence gathering, will rescue Stellar as well from EA clutches. Shinn breaks down on seeing Stellar again, then will mellow somewhat and start listening to other people for once/

Anyway, my point, for Shinn lovers, you all may be right that Stellar is Shinn's best chance for redemption. Otherwise, I agree that Shinn is a selfish spoilt brat that makes even Frey Alster look like Mother Teressa in comparison.

Well said and I do believe situation A will happen however I believe its more likely that Stellar will destroy the impulse once and for all and in turn Shinn will be rescued by the Archangel and then likely break down. At that point I expect him to beg the Archangel for help in rescuing Stellar. He could also be transported to the Archangel by Athrun as I believe atleast Athrun, Lunimaria and Shinn will eventually defect.

Remember that Lunimaria knows about whats going on with Lacus as does Athrun and that the only people who would try to save a EA pilot are those of the Archangel.

I don't think that Shinn is unredeamable I only believe at this point he hasn't changed he simply continues to act selfish and by giving Stellat the thingy he ment to leave her in the past and forget about her having convinced himself he did what he could. She is definatly the plot device made to change him and as in Seed they used Fllay's death to ultimately change Kira to who he is now. I simply believe they will take the other route in Gundam Seed Destiny and Shinn doing a selfless act in which he saves Stellar will be how they solidify Shinn's personal redemption.

[Aramis]

Shinn was right to scold Athrun, all he did in the battle was fly around in travel form and taunt the enemy with his radio only to get a "shut up and die" kind of reaction from them. well, he fired a few shots here and there.
if you join the military during war you do so to fight, thats it. athrun is the loser here...
as for shinn and rey, they'll probably be punished big time for this. they assaulted the crew and released an important prisoner. the chairman is probably gonna excuse them or they'll never launch from that ship again.