hmm ii think it maybe that they need more preparation... i mean .... to take kyubbi out of naruto won't be that easy.. maybe they need to prepare for that.. and prob was the reason that itachi/kisame wasn't in hurry to kidnap naruto
hmm ii think it maybe that they need more preparation... i mean .... to take kyubbi out of naruto won't be that easy.. maybe they need to prepare for that.. and prob was the reason that itachi/kisame wasn't in hurry to kidnap naruto
Rhanfahl.....that was wayy too much to read.....so i'll just respond to the stuff i picked up
Oro locking up sasuke: Did he lock up kimimaro, whom was his previous container candidate? No. Sasuke came to him by his own free will, just as Kimimaro and other followers have done. Sasuke knows of the consequences of joining with Oro, so Oro should know that if Sasuke came to him, there is no reason not to trust that he'll stay.
Oro's paralysis genjutsu: We know its not a genjutsu, because when oro used it on sasuke in the forest, he says "Genjutsu? No, this is just killing intent."
Japanese actors > English actors: First of all, how can you tell if you don't know japanese? It might sound all poetic, but you only pick up half of the "acting talent" if you don't understand any of it. Second of all, ever wonder why japan hardly has any live-action movies or tv shows? I rest my case.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
At the very least, Oro can train Sasuke to be physically stronger and faster. If you're going to transfer into a body, it might as well be a good one. Training in jutsus doesn't matter too much.
Regarding japanese voice acting vs english voice acting:
In the US, voice acting is a job.
In Japan, voice acting is an art.
That's all there is to it.
I wonder if Oro inherits the Chakra capacity?
I mean, can he only have that much chakra as Sasuke has?
Or doens't that matter in that case?
Cause I don't think he'll be able to a high-class jutsu with al ow amount of chakra?
He couldn't do a third chidori...
I don't think it's been specifically stated anywhere, but I'm sure he wouldn't be limited like that.
[img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Regarding japanese voice acting vs english voice acting:
In the US, voice acting is a job.
In Japan, voice acting is an art.
That's all there is to it.
More culture envy going on here. The Japanese don't treat this any differently.
some of the reasons they could have been there to gauge naruto are possibly because maybe the seal weakens with age(doubt it but possible), or to see if hes strong enough now to be of use since i doubt they would have trouble capturing him with out jiraiya,since if they took the kyuubi out do you really think they could control it,why not let naruto get strong then hypnotize him or something,i doubt ANY akatuski members have time to train him because they said "will we have enough time to finish all of our plans(or was it goals?)" And along the lines of bloodlines,i would assume the body has something to do with it considering you cant copy them with sharingan...my thoughts on this are a bit more than that i am just too lazy to type them out.
I think he may take his own chakra and strength with him, since he is still as strong as he was when he was in his original body. For him to take the strenght and chakra of the host, the host would then have to be Sannin level... and the last did not look like he was anywhere near Sannin level to me.
In fact it looks like the guy he transferred into is a joke anyway, so they put a few mediocre fighters in a room and he took over the winner, couldn't he possibly have found someome more elite? Kabuto surely could have brought him a container of at least come credibility.
"They call it 'The American Dream' because you have to be asleep to believe it" - George Carlin
Well I finally saw it and of course the addition of a filler arc totally ruins the mood of the series. They changed a whole big piece. Just when you finally think it's time for naruto to grow up.....they go and throw a filler arc at ya. Why cant Kishimoto just draw faster [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Miaka, i knew someone would say something along the lines of feeling emotion to judge voice acting, but its still more to it than that.
People say that french is the language of romance, because the dialect has a very romantic feel to it. Does that mean that french actors are the best actors for romance movies? No. Does that mean its easier for them to take on romantic roles than people with other dialects? Well probably yes, I think a person with a scottish accent, for example, would just feel awkward as some romeo, no matter how good his acting is. However if you're from scotland, then maybe you'll be more easily moved by a scottish romeo than other people would.....who knows?
Terra: how many laxatives did you take to pull that one out of your ass? Actors and actresses take their careers seriously, no matter where they're from.
The problem here, is that people always fail to realize that voice actors for dubs have a MUCH harder time than the original voice actors. You are locked in to specific timeframes for not only sections of dialogue, but even the spaces between open and closed mouth frames of the characters. Sometimes they have to say words slower or faster than natural to fit what needs to be said with the animation. Alot of times extra dialogue has to be awkwardly thrown in just to fill the void. It's not as easy as you'd think.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
1, you are wrong.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Terra: how many laxatives did you take to pull that one out of your ass? Actors and actresses take their careers seriously, no matter where they're from.
2, I didn't make that statement up. It's old. I merely agree with it.
@Y: I don't give a shit about cultural differences. My opinion has nothing to do with that.
My opinion in short:
English voice acting generally sucks.
Japanese voice acting doesn't.
Amen.
Also,
<@Terracosmo> My opinions are facts!
oh really? hmm, do you mean like bruce lee old, or godzilla movie old? either way, the only references I hear about japanese acting is that of the comical parodic natureOriginally posted by: Terracosmo
1, you are wrong.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Terra: how many laxatives did you take to pull that one out of your ass? Actors and actresses take their careers seriously, no matter where they're from.
2, I didn't make that statement up. It's old. I merely agree with it.
@Y: I don't give a shit about cultural differences. My opinion has nothing to do with that.
My opinion in short:
English voice acting generally sucks.
Japanese voice acting doesn't.
Amen.
Also,
<@Terracosmo> My opinions are facts!
Most of the best movies ever made came from Hollywood.
Miaka: Dub voice acting is a LITTLE harder? I think having to alter the entire production process of a cartoon in regards to animation and sound interaction results in a little more than a slight inconvenience. As for pronouncing names...well....it happens when characters are given names that aren't native to the country that is dubbing <<shrug>>
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Dude, I don't include live movies in "voice acting". I'm only talking about cartoons/anime.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
oh really? hmm, do you mean like bruce lee old, or godzilla movie old? either way, the only references I hear about japanese acting is that of the comical parodic natureOriginally posted by: Terracosmo
1, you are wrong.Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Terra: how many laxatives did you take to pull that one out of your ass? Actors and actresses take their careers seriously, no matter where they're from.
2, I didn't make that statement up. It's old. I merely agree with it.
@Y: I don't give a shit about cultural differences. My opinion has nothing to do with that.
My opinion in short:
English voice acting generally sucks.
Japanese voice acting doesn't.
Amen.
Also,
<@Terracosmo> My opinions are facts!
Most of the best movies ever made came from Hollywood.
I'm well aware about the occasional non-stop comedy that is Japanese movies. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
Miaka, i knew someone would say something along the lines of feeling emotion to judge voice acting, but its still more to it than that.
People say that french is the language of romance, because the dialect has a very romantic feel to it. Does that mean that french actors are the best actors for romance movies? No. Does that mean its easier for them to take on romantic roles than people with other dialects? Well probably yes, I think a person with a scottish accent, for example, would just feel awkward as some romeo, no matter how good his acting is. However if you're from scotland, then maybe you'll be more easily moved by a scottish romeo than other people would.....who knows?
Terra: how many laxatives did you take to pull that one out of your ass? Actors and actresses take their careers seriously, no matter where they're from.
The problem here, is that people always fail to realize that voice actors for dubs have a MUCH harder time than the original voice actors. You are locked in to specific timeframes for not only sections of dialogue, but even the spaces between open and closed mouth frames of the characters. Sometimes they have to say words slower or faster than natural to fit what needs to be said with the animation. Alot of times extra dialogue has to be awkwardly thrown in just to fill the void. It's not as easy as you'd think.
well actually carrying emotions across is what all voice actor is about.. i mean they can't even show their emotion though their face.. so they would have to do with emotion.. and the fact that i don't understand what they are saying.. but can tell what emotion state they are in.. means that they are doing a good job..i mean when a voice actor really is crying herself when they are acting a sad part.. that they are doing good job.. and yes accent /language sometimes i guess helps.. since some languages has some feeling to it.. but i m not talking about just one feeling.. i mean variety of feeling (annoyed, sad, angry, happy, ) or even the type of voice that fit s the character(goofy, calm, etc) . japanese anime companies i think generally does a good job of choosing voice actors that fit..(not all the time.. but most of the times..)
well yes.. dubbed voice actor would of course be little more harder.. but that would mean that they would have to work as much as harder...... to not be able to carry out much emotions... is no excuse.. (and most of the times.. can't even pronounce the names correctly..-> shows how much effort they are putting huh...) i am sure that they can pick ones that really fits and really voice act as that character.. but i don't think amercan anime companies are taking their time to choose ones.. (to me they also seems to just pick the ones that only fits few type of that character's voice) For ex) if a chacter mostly goofy.. they just take that.. and pick one that doesn't fit the other type as in when the character gets serious.. or etc
what do you think voice acting is about? it's really to speak as if you are really in that situation.. and carry that feeling across to audience.to get audience to feel like they are in that situation.. to make them feel as the character....
EDIT: @assertin: okay okay.. it is HARD.. but it's still no excuse for being that bad....i mean to the fact you barely see any emotion carried??
@Y the alien: well in that case is little different.. because some american names have been Japanized.. like Smisu?? for Smith.. or something like that..
but anyways.. pronunciation was a little part.. THE BIG FACT IS that american anime companies does a crappy job at picking good voice actors.. i mean Hollywood have good actorsand actresses (acting: acting + voice acting) .. and i just think that they can do better (way better) at picking voice actors!! but it might have to do with them trying to save money.. maybe.. V_V....
Kind of like how Japanese voice actors can't pronounce the English words and names they throw in for no fucking reason?Originally posted by: miaka
. (and most of the times.. can't even pronounce the names correctly..-> shows how much effort they are putting huh...).
The lure of power was bait for Sasuke to go to Orochimaru, but what I was referring to was why would Orochimaru give Sasuke power when he WOULD NOT want Sasuke to confront Itachi at all. As commented by Kovash, Orochimaru wanted to make Sasuke strong so that he can inherit a stronger body. That would be Oro's real intention in giving Sasuke power during his 2½ year time with him.
"Our hearts are full of memories but not all of them reflect the truth. The heart isn't a recording device. Even important memories change with time. They warp or fade, leaving us with but a shadow of what we hoped to remember." 天の道を行き、全てを司る。これは僕の世界。
a strong body is something he could create himself. it's the sharingan which he has no control over that he wants. where does it say that Oro does not want Sasuke to kill Itachi? i'd conjecture he'd want Sasuke to take out Itachi for him because Oro sees Itachi as his only true threat. but conversely, he might not want to Sasuke to try for fear of Itachi killing him and Oro losing his container. but when does Oro say he does not want Sasuke to fight Itachi?
It doesn't say, but it's pretty obvious that Sasuke's very important to him and no matter what he can not afford to lose him. Sasuke's merely a future container for him, and chances are slim that Sasuke can defeat Itachi with Orochimaru's given powers when Orochimaru himself is weaker than Itachi....
"Our hearts are full of memories but not all of them reflect the truth. The heart isn't a recording device. Even important memories change with time. They warp or fade, leaving us with but a shadow of what we hoped to remember." 天の道を行き、全てを司る。これは僕の世界。
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