Episode 32 Discussion "spoilers"

**FelixZeroAlastor** · Mon, 05-30-2005, 06:51 PM

I believe that Shinn (although I hate Shinn to some extent) does think sometimes. Like when Shinn decided to take Stellar back to Neo. He hacked the specs for Stellar's Gaia and got the code so that he could give her back. Now that took some thinking. Now how he abducted her and the fact that he held Neo to that promise was stupid. So all in all Shinn does think a little.

Now Stellar's death is in fact a group of peoples' fault.
First Neo. It is his fault for putting stellar in in the Destroy in the first place and telling her about scary things.
Next Sting. It is his fault for going down like a bitch and losing to three Orb suits while he was piloting a gundam with funnels. That was the most pathetic death in this series so far.
Now the Archangel. It's their fault for bringing Kira.
Now the Minerva. It's their fault for bringing the emotional Shinn.
Now Shinn. It's his fault for rushing in like some kind of wannabe Kira with a heroic attitude, cutting open the destroy's cockpit, and scaring the hell out of Stellar thus making the situation 1000 times worse than when it was when it was just Kira and the Archangel fighting because she became even more parinoid.
Finally Kira. It's his fault for just being there. He decided to shoot down Neo which nearly broke Stellar. He also didn't have to stab the positron cannon. He could have kicked Shinn out of the way dodged the blast and finally cut off one or both of Destroy's legs and letting it fall backwards as it fired its positron cannons. Then Kira could have slowly or quickly disabled all of the weapons that the Destroy had, or let Stllar completely lose it, shoot something and have some gun backfire resulting in Stellar killing herself.
I almost forgot Stellar. Its her fault for looking at the freedom instead of Shinn. If she really trusted Shinn with protecting her she would've stayed calm and NOT remembered what Kira did to Neo.

Destroy gundam wasn't right for Stellar anyways. Her attenion span and skill aren't large enough to fight with that suit. I believe that destroy was wasted on Stellar.

**Optimaximal** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 06:01 AM

Tbh, thats why when it happened you saw both Calamity & Freedom fire at the same time. The viewer is meant to think 'wait, which suit actually blew up Shinn's family'...
I bet it'll all turn out that it was Calamity that hit Shinn's family and that all the rage currently focused on Kira & Orb should be re-focused on the EA...

**PSJ** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 07:00 AM

WOW awesome episode i caught myself having the biggest smile for the whole episode. Kira is beyond cool i just didnt like how he waited going seed. and shinn is still a retarded bitch. the fact that he still is piloting that god damn suit is beyond me.

the death of the druggies was well diffrent? i dont know i just dont know what stellars death was to accomplish, maybe some crying from the veiwers and a littel sympathy for shinn etc? i just smiled and was happy when her arm dropped. stings death however was a bit more disappointing but i can understand why he died, he had his mind on diffrent things, as to why he didnt get destroy and such, you could see it clearly he had a bit of a grudge against neo while fighting and his mind appearently strayed a bit. the explosion was nice it looked really cool and there are no pink clouds anymore(SEED). neo went down even cooler, at first i thought he died but this way it might be better and i really hope we will learn if he is mwu or not. and kira commented on something about the windam, maybe that he recognized the way it fights?

and to say that shinn's skill is on par with kiras is a little to much dont you think? the only one so far that got skills on par with kira has to be asuran even tho he doesnt show it he clearly holds back. kira could take shinn down in a heartbeat, shinn wouldnt even get whats happening.

i dont like shinn as a main character at all you dont feel sympathy for the guy in the slightest. he just got to much of a double-standards to be a guy you can relate to, he tells asuran off every second he can and then he goes of doing something much much worse. be it that it is for love still he preaches about devotion to the army etc. but got none himself. fucking brat, gahh i hate him.

**LokeXero** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 08:19 AM

Hey dont mind me - Im picked as a shinn fanboy simply cause i think hes a better pilot than kira. I also think Athruns a better pilot than Kira so we wont bring up the Athrun vs Shinn contest.

**Jurojin** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 09:53 AM

I will say that at the very least Kira got shown up a little in the segment with Blast Impulse and Freedom. You know, the one where Kira tried to swipe at Blast, who dodged it and even counter-moved with a very near-miss to Freedoms head with the beam javelin? Im not saying that it shows the level of skill or anything, but at the very least it shows that Kira is not always better than Shinn. Or maybe better to say that Shinn could possibly keep Kira on his toes, if Shinn can keep moving like that.

Edit: I would like to try and see if I cant figure out the logic of Neo putting Stellar in the Destroy. Ok, Shinn wanted Neo to put Stellar in a place where she would be happy, without War, violence, death, etc. Well, Neo being the smart person that he is, knows that no such place exists. He sees the Destroy and goes Hmm, if I give Stellar this invincible (we know better) mobile suit, shell be safe inside of it, and shell be able to win the war quickly and decisively, so she can make that place without violence/war/death/etc. Thinking like that, does it still seem that Neo broke that promise as grievously as a lot of people seem to think he did?

**telemari** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 10:00 AM

don't forget that impulse is newer. freedom sure has more firepower, but impulse may be faster.

**PSJ** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 10:32 AM

i remember when shinn dodged kiras beam sabre but that could as easliy be passed of as a fluke, not saying that it is but it could be.

**Optimaximal** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 10:50 AM

For having gently provided this topic with spoilers several times over, as well as having destroyed the plot for the upcoming episodes for those who DO NOT READ SPOILERS (guess what, they exist) you have been granted a vacation of a currently unknown length. Your other spoilers have also been deleted. When you come back, if you do so: KINDLY READ THE RULES. Fucking idiot.

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**PSJ** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by: Optimaximal
By that reasoning, nearly every time Freedom or Strike dodged an attack, it must have been a fluke... [img][/img]

I don't really want to keep pressing anything, but face it... Shinn is easily as capable a fighter in a mobile suit as Kira... He lets his emotions run wild way too much, but then so did Kira until about this time in SEED...

if you read the whole post you will see that i say it could be passed of as a fluke but i didnt say it was. we have seen shinn move like that ONCE not more.

and ill say it again my opinion is based on what we have seen in the episodes not your pictures.

**Raquelcasull** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 12:06 PM

I still feel Kira was portrayed as the one responsible for killing Shinn's family. It's his destiny to fight Kira.

Also I found out how the final episode of Destiny ends: ******spoiler below*********

After Shinn kills Kira (somewhere in space), he breathes a sigh of relief.......

-suddenly-

Mayu's cell phone rings.....

Shinn: "Moshi moshi?"
(voice): Shinn niisan, honto ni Shinn oniisan!? Yokata! Cellphone no mitsuketa? (Shinn, is that you? I'm so glad! You found my phone?)
Shinn: Mayu!? Sou na bakana! (Mayu!? this can't be!)
***rest of dialogue in regular english instead of poor japanese ^^;****
Mayu: Ya I'm fine and so is Mama and Papa we've been staying in Japan all this time, well here's my new cell phone call me sometime ok? *click*!
Shinn: ......Nuuuuuuuuuuuuu! *self destruct inside Gundam*

*ending song is same as ending song from School Rumble*

**Dannynonsense** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 12:42 PM

wow thats an intresting endiny Raquelcasull now if that would really happen it would ruin the show for a lot of people, by the way does anybody know how many episodes there is alot of places are saying unknow

**Psyke** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by: Dannynonsense
wow thats an intresting endiny Raquelcasull now if that would really happen it would ruin the show for a lot of people, by the way does anybody know how many episodes there is alot of places are saying unknow

According to MAHQ Gundam Seed Destiny is planned for 50 episodes, the same as Gundam Seed.

**Deamon007** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by: Raquelcasull
I still feel Kira was portrayed as the one responsible for killing Shinn's family. It's his destiny to fight Kira.

Also I found out how the final episode of Destiny ends: ******spoiler below*********

After Shinn kills Kira (somewhere in space), he breathes a sigh of relief.......

-suddenly-

Mayu's cell phone rings.....

Shinn: "Moshi moshi?"
(voice): Shinn niisan, honto ni Shinn oniisan!? Yokata! Cellphone no mitsuketa? (Shinn, is that you? I'm so glad! You found my phone?)
Shinn: Mayu!? Sou na bakana! (Mayu!? this can't be!)
***rest of dialogue in regular english instead of poor japanese ^^;****
Mayu: Ya I'm fine and so is Mama and Papa we've been staying in Japan all this time, well here's my new cell phone call me sometime ok? *click*!
Shinn: ......Nuuuuuuuuuuuuu! *self destruct inside Gundam*

*ending song is same as ending song from School Rumble*

nooooooooooooo Kira dies but if Shin dies to its worth it because Kira can alway's use his coolness to come back to life like he and mwu did last time [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

I realy liked how natural orb soldiers owned Sting finaly the normal soldiers get to do something besides dying

**WRX Sti** · Wed, 06-01-2005, 11:17 AM

I was just really dissapointed that Shinn wasn't killed by Stellar, it was also amusing to see how easily Sting was taken down by the ORB pilots. Also i wasn't suprised by Stellar's death. I also found it a load of crap how Shinn could damage Destroy while Kira could barely touch it until Shinn damaged it.

**Motteh** · Wed, 06-01-2005, 04:34 PM

first of all: Shinn is the main character, no series will have their main character killed of halfway through

second: i find the discussion about who killed shinn's family and whatnot ridiculous, it's totally besides the point
the point is he joined ZAFT because they were killed and he blames orb, well generally Cagalli and her father (in itself quite arguable but that's the kind of guy Shinn is)

third: when do you Shinn haters realise the guy got Impulse for a reason
he undoubtably has skill, and remember that Kira pretty much sucked at piloting untill the approximately episode 28/30 (the battle where Nikol was killed)
so yes maybe Shinn sucks now but he'll get better, he IS the main character after all
also, Shinn's character will get a make over, i just have a feeling about that, whether or not it is because he gets his ass kicked and whether or not Kira does that i can't and won't say

destroy was just way too overkill to survive more then 1 episode, although the way it went down was quite unsatisfying to me, i expected more explosions and even more mayhem
but i feel that stellar dying (if she really is dead which i kind of doubt after seeing the flashes for the next episode)
in Shinn's arms was a nice touch
Shinn will obviously blame Freedom and go after Kira and company

Neo being Mwu and all that, i'll just say wait and see

**DeathscytheVII** · Wed, 06-01-2005, 05:32 PM

Is she dead? Because in the previews....shinn is carrying her....of course..he maybe burying her but meh.....

I eagerly await the time when ZAFT throws the book at shinn, for starting this chain reaction that led to the destruction of three cities and the death of so many civilians and ZAFT soldiers. Perhaps this is the humble pie we've all been waiting for shinn to choke on.

Stellar still died regardless.....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] NOOOOOoooOOOOoOOo

**DDBen** · Wed, 06-01-2005, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by: Motteh
first of all: Shinn is the main character, no series will have their main character killed of halfway through

Karekano aka His and her circumstances around episode 24 kills off the entire main cast and randomly starts over. So actually there is a precident. I'm not saying it will happen here just felt the urge to point that useless fact out.

**Guardian_2000** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 01:22 PM

If I recall that Blast Impulse vs Freedom was "SEED mode" Shinn vs Normal Kira. And at that point they were equal although Kira was more under control and level headed. If you wanna talk about spoilers and stuff that happens later lets take it out of this thread. I'd also suggest editing out that picture link. It already exists in the spoiler thread I made.

***Terracosmo*** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 01:24 PM

Guys, it pretty much ruins the moderating efforts if you insist on quoting spoilers...

**Guardian_2000** · Tue, 05-31-2005, 01:26 PM

Maybe they just want to give you mods some extra work.

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