he never did survive the genesis shot...
it never even hit him...freedom fly up before it could hit freedom
he never did survive the genesis shot...
it never even hit him...freedom fly up before it could hit freedom
mayb its the pieces where impulse huge fat sword hit the body of the freedom and shield =p
If there was an explosion, should'nt the pieces be scattered all over the ocean as opposed to just behind Impulse? Unless its the artist perception drawing or something showing only nearby objects while negating the far...
Amaya, the Tauren Warrior
oic just saw that AA fire its missiles but all miss...
did AA did that on purposes...only watch the raw by now...
dont know what they have been talking =x
It was on purpose....Glady mentions after the near miss as long as they don't get careless they won't get hit. And adds as expected AA was trying not to hit them.
Amaya, the Tauren Warrior
lolz i was waiting for the website which i normally to download the subbed episode...
still haven come out yet...bored ~_~
@DDBen: Seriously, I think you just don't want to admit that Kira got honestly beaten by Shinn. Before this episode, it was "Kira can't be beaten by Shinn, it must be Neo/Mwu because Neo is expendable" which was very implausible from the beginning to say the least. Now, Kira was overwhelmed with both the AA's situation, and Shinn's intensity, and all you can think to do is say "Kira let Shinn beat him." The Kira worship is really getting kind of sad.....
Anyways, I had a question- is it normal for Minerva to turn immediately after firing the Taunhueser(spl)? Because if I recall correctly, the blast from the explosion that seems to be confusing people caught the Minerva on the side, not from the front. So is it possible that the explosion (not saying it was nuclear or anything) was indeed from Freedom? (if it cam at Minerva from the front, please correct me, I'm at work so I can't double check.)
Correct Terra killing only for the reason of vengence would not mean you enjoy Killing. However killing because you enjoy what it grants you. Specifically in Shinn's case things like killing the EA soldiers in the base that was already defeated in order to play hero. Does to a certain degree show that you enjoy killing because you will soon start to equate killing people with the perks it grants you.Originally posted by: Terracosmo
@DDBen, for the sake of variety:
"However, Terra I'm afraid that Shinn does enjoy killing to a certain degree. He certainly doesn't kill to protect anything instead he kills out of vengence every time."
Killing out of vengeance does NOT equal that someone ENJOYS killing.
Jurojin you are completely incorrect here. Before I stated that if Freedom was destroyed or to be sacrificed in order for the AA to escape that it was simply much more likely for them to kill off Neo then it would be for them to Kill off Kira. So I stated that IF freedom was destroyed and the pilot was killed that it would only happen IF Neo was piloting Freedom and not Kira.Originally posted by: Jurojin
@DDBen: Seriously, I think you just don't want to admit that Kira got honestly beaten by Shinn. Before this episode, it was "Kira can't be beaten by Shinn, it must be Neo/Mwu because Neo is expendable" which was very implausible from the beginning to say the least. Now, Kira was overwhelmed with both the AA's situation, and Shinn's intensity, and all you can think to do is say "Kira let Shinn beat him." The Kira worship is really getting kind of sad.....
Anyways, I had a question- is it normal for Minerva to turn immediately after firing the Taunhueser(spl)? Because if I recall correctly, the blast from the explosion that seems to be confusing people caught the Minerva on the side, not from the front. So is it possible that the explosion (not saying it was nuclear or anything) was indeed from Freedom? (if it cam at Minerva from the front, please correct me, I'm at work so I can't double check.)
That aside I don't whorship Freedom I mearly am analysing the episode as I see it. We know Shinn is alive at this point and I certainly believe its common sense that Kira, who is extremely popular, would not randomly be killed off at this point in the series as it would simply destroy the ratings of GSD to kill him. That being said with the question being placed about what took place here please note that Kira did not use 80% of freedoms weapons only using the beam rifle and a single beam saber throughout the episode. When in turn watching this episode why would he do this? He could have simply shot impulse to hell but following Dullindales tape showing Impulse instead of freedom taking down destroy if he was to kill Impulse that would put AA in MUCH greater danger. However, If you were to let zaft put out a tape of Impulse destroying freedom it makes the AA much less likely to be hunted as Zaft can simply use that to there advantage while you bide your time.
The simple fact that you have no ability to look beyond what they show you in a episode shows nothing but your own personal ignorance.
Now as for your Question the Minerva had started to turn likely because they were aware of the secondary blast that would be comming. So turning the ship to the side and letting the wave carry you away from the blast is a much better solution then driving into the blast radius of your own cannon.
@DDBen: All I have to say to you is that you have constantly presented yourself as one who believes that Kira is infallable when compared to Shinn as a pilot, and constantly form very half baked opinions on both Shinn's character, and possibilties in the show. You refuse to acknowledge Shinn in the same leauge of piloting as Rau/Athrun/Kira/Mwu etc, and that skews every attempt of a hypothisis in relation to Kira vs. Shinn.
@iesu 350z: He's making these opinions on the belief that he's stated before that Shinn just can't possibly beat Kira. In the episode33 thread that got deleted, you'd see it for yourself. As for my quote, what the hell are you talking about?
Good episode, but nothing is set in stone. Archangel probably made it...next episode might show them trying to survive with the damage they took and depth charging ordered by that fat ass zaft general...
Kira's suit went into pieces. if there's still an intact part of it left, it will sink...so he has to go floating in the ocean. He could have survived his suit's core meltdown too, coordinators are like super humans so you'd think they were resistant to radiation maybe? Or maybe he'll get a radiation illness and live for a week or so. More drama.
Anyway props to Shinn for a good fight [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] there's probably no one else that could have done it.
Originally posted by: Jurojin
@DDBen: All I have to say to you is that you have constantly presented yourself as one who believes that Kira is infallable when compared to Shinn as a pilot, and constantly form very half baked opinions on both Shinn's character, and possibilties in the show. You refuse to acknowledge Shinn in the same leauge of piloting as Rau/Athrun/Kira/Mwu etc, and that skews every attempt of a hypothisis in relation to Kira vs. Shinn.
@iesu 350z: He's making these opinions on the belief that he's stated before that Shinn just can't possibly beat Kira. In the episode33 thread that got deleted, you'd see it for yourself. As for my quote, what the hell are you talking about?
Once again you are quite mistaken on my comments. However I will say this. If you have a extremely successful series such as GS and the Main Character in it who was Kira. Then you have many supporting Characters. The only other character who could be argueably a main character is Athrun as they focused a lot of the story on him as well. Now you make a sequal to the series and you decide to do this after you have basically placed both of these character in situations of living happily ever after(this is shown in the shorts that thye made of the GS characters that took place before GSD was even to be made). Now when making the sequal its unreasonable to then start killing off either of the 2 main characters from the first series who were both very well liked(heck they went as far as to create Neo as a result of killing Mwu being so unpopular I suspect). As such I do not believe when we have confirmed suits that EVERYONE knows about aka Strike Freedom and Infinate Justice that are clearly ment for the 2 main characters from the first series that any director would ever kill off either of these characters before at the very least the last 2 episodes of the series. As a direct result to those facts at this point I see no reasonable way the writers could or would kill off Kira. This results in the fact I believed that IF Freedom was to be destroyed to the point that zaft was convinced it was gone this would either result in another pilot(Neo being the only person on the AA capable of fighting at even a remotely convincing level to that of Kira). So you in turn with this episode have the AA trying to get away without giving Zaft what it wants(which is a excuse to further hunt either the AA or go after Orb(as the pilots from Orb on the AA would make wonderful press for invading the country). This leaves the solution of faking your own death and considering the Captain of the Minerva was also against destroying the AA which we saw absolutely no wreckage for after either blast(so it being hit is made severly unlikely). This in turn results in the fact that as Kira, who is undeniably a increadable pilot at this point, is very unlikely to have freedom destroyed in the manor it was portrayed.
This results in 2 possibilities in my eye's.
1: That the writers have officially decided that Kira has to go and are willing to kill him off in order to make Shinn more popular.
2: The writers wanted to make the AA and Zaft fight seem to be taken care of so they could further the storyline and introduce the new MS's in order to sell more models. The only reason Kira would get a better suit is because he was defeated in freedom. We already know Kira is getting Strike Freedom and if anyone thinks thats a spoiler I'm sorry but to me this is a fact that has been displayed in the series. Unless of course you think Calgari is getting Strike freedom to avenge her brother. So what better thing to do then have Kira fake his death, as done in GS where it wasn't so much faked but after the Athrun/Kira battle he was picked up by Lacus and given Freedom to replace strike. Thus utalizing something you already know your viewers will accept.
To me this doesn't even involve Shinn who at this point is doing nothing but acting completely insane at the moment. I don't disagree that they are depicting him as getting more skillful. I more of see this episode as showing that he's reached the limits of Impulse being useful to him as he's mastered it and it no longer would allow his skills to grow. In doing this they reasonably are able to introduce Destiny which Shinn will be piloting as this is GSD(estiny) and he is the main character. Right now the remaining part of the series is going to be about setting up the final battles and defining where each of the main and sub characters will stand in the final battle.
LOL well kira cannot just die here, he is an important charater that will impact shinn more then anything in the series, if kira dies now the story would just go down hill? probably with a snapped shinn (another stellar) raping everyone! kira needs to come back to give him a good spankingOriginally posted by: Jurojin
@DDBen: All I have to say to you is that you have constantly presented yourself as one who believes that Kira is infallable when compared to Shinn as a pilot, and constantly form very half baked opinions on both Shinn's character, and possibilties in the show. You refuse to acknowledge Shinn in the same leauge of piloting as Rau/Athrun/Kira/Mwu etc, and that skews every attempt of a hypothisis in relation to Kira vs. Shinn.
@iesu 350z: He's making these opinions on the belief that he's stated before that Shinn just can't possibly beat Kira. In the episode33 thread that got deleted, you'd see it for yourself. As for my quote, what the hell are you talking about?
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Originally posted by: Jurojin
@DDBen: Seriously, I think you just don't want to admit that Kira got honestly beaten by Shinn. Before this episode, it was "Kira can't be beaten by Shinn, it must be Neo/Mwu because Neo is expendable" which was very implausible from the beginning to say the least. Now, Kira was overwhelmed with both the AA's situation, and Shinn's intensity, and all you can think to do is say "Kira let Shinn beat him." The Kira worship is really getting kind of sad.....
i totally disagree with you, DDBen's responses contain more insight.. he only stated his opinions and backed it up, i dont see him saying hes a kira freak anywhere
also I disgree with your qoute,
In all things endure.
In enduring, grow strong
in most situations it will cause great mental stress leading to insanity
and i think bad sentence structure? no?
the tannhauser explosion would have to hit the AA to make an explosion of that size. and the AA was well under the water by the time the tannhauser reached there. one more thing, it was to late to be the tannhauser explosion, it would have fired by the time impulse impaled freedom. im still convinced it was freedom blowing up. the suit got a nuclear reactor, if that didnt give off any kind of blast after being totally destroyed it wouldnt be fucking nuclear.
This would depend completely on timing we are watching the Shinn/Kira battle at the same point in time as Minerva is shooting at the AA there is honestly no way to determine when the shot was fired in relation to when Kira and Shinn took that final swing at each other. Except of course the red trail from the Tannhauser that is disapating as the Minerva turns and gets hit by the wave from the explosion.Originally posted by: PSJ
the tannhauser explosion would have to hit the AA to make an explosion of that size. and the AA was well under the water by the time the tannhauser reached there. one more thing, it was to late to be the tannhauser explosion, it would have fired by the time impulse impaled freedom. im still convinced it was freedom blowing up. the suit got a nuclear reactor, if that didnt give off any kind of blast after being totally destroyed it wouldnt be fucking nuclear.
Basically what I'm saying is both of these happen at the same exact moment so there is not really a delay between the 2 explosions one is mearly shown as they have to show you both fights being resolved before they show the explosion.
First and foremost, nuclear reactors ARE NOT NUCLEAR BOMBS. If you wanted to rig one to explode, you would have to very specifically set it up to do such, and then intentionally trigger it. A triggering event would certainly not be something like being struck by a giant sword. Even if a reactor melts down, which you might get away with here, all you get is a lot of heat and radiation. Not an explosion.Originally posted by: PSJ
the tannhauser explosion would have to hit the AA to make an explosion of that size. and the AA was well under the water by the time the tannhauser reached there. one more thing, it was to late to be the tannhauser explosion, it would have fired by the time impulse impaled freedom. im still convinced it was freedom blowing up. the suit got a nuclear reactor, if that didnt give off any kind of blast after being totally destroyed it wouldnt be fucking nuclear.
Second, the Tanhauser is a Positron cannon. The first small explosion (as stated earlier) was it hitting the water... the second, most likely, was it impacting the ocean floor. Not only was it not shown hitting the AA, but from Talia's previous attitude, there is no evidence she intended for that shot to hit it. She could have been delaying to make sure the chance of hitting was very small. As for it not doing enough damage to cause that kind of explosion... have you not been paying attention? They used that same cannon to break up a colony. In the "attack the lohengrin" episode, we see a positron cannon take out an entire Zaft attack force in one shot.
That explosion was not too big for the Tanhauser, not by a long shot.
i agree with that...they have to make it so that kira is less perfect...
cause what kira has been doing in gsd has been flawless...
well read your own posts and you'll find them.... there are som really weird theories in there.
about the freedom explosion you guys should stop saying this and that about nuclear eplosions like your world reknowed experts. leave the damn explosion discussion alone because its not like the writers are experts on nuclear explosion there probbaly just adding it to make the battle go out with a bang. not everything has to make sense in a series also didnt alot of you guys say physics doesnt apply in gsd well will find out later in episode 35
i guess it really is difficult for some people to just agree that maybe Shinn has enough skill to do some damage to Kira
that along side with his brilliant strategy (and yes it was brilliant) and Kira's "i must protect" flaws (if you must call them flaws)
i think it's not more then plain logic that Kira was defeated
true Kira is a remarkable pilot, but Shinn is too
and even the best trip and land on their face atleast once in their life
as for the reactor exploding i have to agree with the fact that a nuclear reactor needs some serious conditions met to explode, and i don't think a "mere" sword strike would be enough reason for it to do so
but most likely we'll find out later in the series exactly what happened (atleast i hope so so this chapter will be closed)
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