Why Gundam Seed Destiny has Failed on So Many Levels

[FelixZeroAlastor]

Well this is more of a thread for complaints. Well let me throw in my five cents here.

My first complaint is the amount of reused scenes. I am so sick of see so and so getting killed by so and so with the same freakin attack again and again and again. I know you guys have to be sick of it too. I mean every battle I see a reused scene at some point and it just pisses me off. Same with the openings. Op3 and 4 have near identical scenes . Just pure annoying. The plethora of reused scenes is gonna drive me insane.

Second Complaint. Music. Near same music. Couldn't they have changed the music completely or something? And Wings of Words/Op4. What the hell is that. Same for I want to go to a place.../Ed3. That song also. They completely destroy the look and feel of GSD. With a lame opening and ending coupled with an episode recap leaves only about 17 to 18 minutes of the actual episode. They could've used that time wasted to explain and go more in depth to the many unanswered questions that have been stated in this thread already.

The entire if you don't accually see the person in the cockpit of a mobile suit combust then they are alive thing is getting really old. By all rights almost all the the current pilots should be dead right now. I mean really. By some strange turn of events Mwu survived, but I'm not gonna get into that and other people who should've died.

I have a lot more to post but I'll do it later.

EDIT: Them making Kira out to be a newtype now is just plain stupid in my opnion. He is already the ultimate coordinator. Soon he'll be the ultimate newtype to boot. They really are trying to turn Kira into a god of mobile suits. After seeing Shinn's work in the Destiny I thought "Hey maybe Shinn will be able to match Kira." but now all hope of that is gone. Athrun and Canard are the only ones left who even come close but I doubt that they could even handle him.

Pilot stupidity is also a major problem. When Shinn fought those Destroy's I kept questioning the the brains of the Destroy's pilots. If those destroys stayed in mobile armor mode they could've kept their shields projected and fired upon Destiny. The blatent disregard for battle strategies just pisses me off. But you know. Gundams are so powerful that they make battle strategies useless. I mean come on. Shinn's new light shield on destiny was able to repel a head on shot from Destroy's positron cannon. To me that is garbage.

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor
EDIT: Them making Kira out to be a newtype now is just plain stupid in my opnion. He is already the ultimate coordinator. Soon he'll be the ultimate newtype to boot. They really are trying to turn Kira into a god of mobile suits. After seeing Shinn's work in the Destiny I thought "Hey maybe Shinn will be able to match Kira." but now all hope of that is gone. Athrun and Canard are the only ones left who even come close but I doubt that they could even handle him.

If this is true then fuck the series really has failed

[MrTicTac]

"wing zero took out an outerspace colony in ONE SHOT. with a BEAM CANNON. i have yet to see that happen in any other gundam series. "


gundam physalis (sp? o_o) took out a big ass number of battle ships in one shot sorta equal to a colony,,

double X maybe, but never shown actually taking out a colony

and tallgeese III (err sp again?) took out an asteroid

but wats the point of comparing zero's destructive power ? it takes wing zero like a good 30 sec to setup for the shot (its stays still at this point) and thats enough for any gundam/pilot in destiny to take it out or just dodge the shot completely

[FelixZeroAlastor]

Originally posted by: MrTicTac
"wing zero took out an outerspace colony in ONE SHOT. with a BEAM CANNON. i have yet to see that happen in any other gundam series. "


gundam physalis (sp? o_o) took out a big ass number of battle ships in one shot sorta equal to a colony,,

double X maybe, but never shown actually taking out a colony

and tallgeese III (err sp again?) took out an asteroid

but wats the point of comparing zero's destructive power ? it takes wing zero like a good 30 sec to setup for the shot (its stays still at this point) and thats enough for any gundam/pilot in destiny to take it out or just dodge the shot completely

What does that have to do with this thread?

[Miro69]

Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor

What does that have to do with this thread?

to prove that...

Originally posted by: Mut@chi
That's so completely wrong. Destiny has the most insane gundams and characters, by far than most Gundam series.

is wrong.

Originally posted by: iesu 350z
i dont know why you people bother to complain about the plotting for GSD, change is hard.. give them credit.. for trying to create a unique storyline.. rather than the same old "find a gundam, pilot it, trash it, get a better one, takes massive damage in the final fight, peace" realize that the plotting is more original.. are you guys afriad of change?
if you've watched every gundam series.. its verry similiar heck even the models are derived from each other.. scrapping parts from here and there and stick them together lol.. they are finally creating something out of ordinary! starting with the plot, enjoy it n_n

you just contradicted yourself. it's original yet their using older models to make the ones that come out in GSD...
if you consider starting off a gundam series with the destruction of xxx colony also an original idea, i have lost all respect for you.

edit: oh yeah.. umm the main charater isnt godlike lmao.. ex: heero jumping from insane heights, hit a hill and roll down.. just to get up.. dust off.. walk away..
such as, kira they gave him more a more humane charater.. and slowly developed into the kira now

uh first off, the main protagonist of GSD is shinn. second off, kira's protagonist role was in gseed. third off, his transition from whiny kira to god-mode kira happened in an instant. no one would predict he would be the kira that he is now. there was no slow development. he changed from whiny ass to god mode during the end of Yachin Due to when the coordinators try to attack the real Lacus. Kira is already the ultimate coordinator. he has yet to be defeated (minus shinn who actually did his research and plotted to kill kira while kira was not even in the aim to kill... and yet kira survives), he has pretty much owned every mobile suit he's fared against, he's got strike freedom now, and he may be the ultimate newtype soon enough. no one, and i repeat no one, will be able to match him.

[MrTicTac]

Originally posted by: FelixZeroAlastor

Originally posted by: MrTicTac
"wing zero took out an outerspace colony in ONE SHOT. with a BEAM CANNON. i have yet to see that happen in any other gundam series. "


gundam physalis (sp? o_o) took out a big ass number of battle ships in one shot sorta equal to a colony,,

double X maybe, but never shown actually taking out a colony

and tallgeese III (err sp again?) took out an asteroid

but wats the point of comparing zero's destructive power ? it takes wing zero like a good 30 sec to setup for the shot (its stays still at this point) and thats enough for any gundam/pilot in destiny to take it out or just dodge the shot completely

What does that have to do with this thread?

I was answering this

Originally posted by: Miro69

Originally posted by: Mut@chi

Originally posted by: masamuneehs
Where Gundam Wing had too much politics and also invincible characters, Destiny is worse (my opinion) because it has virtually no political dialogue, slightly less indestructible characters.

That's so completely wrong. Destiny has the most insane gundams and characters, by far than most Gundam series.

wing zero took out an outerspace colony in ONE SHOT. with a BEAM CANNON. i have yet to see that happen in any other gundam series.

"uh first off, the main protagonist of GSD is shinn"

i guess people can argue over that a lot,, among shinn, athrun, and kira,, screen time and talking-wise its pretty close, opening and ending also show kira in the middle etc more kira scenes

I say if Shinn dies in the series he's not the main char, likewise for Athrun and Kira

[Kenzaburo]

Just to comment on that "taking out a colony with one shot":

Physalis used a fuckin' nuke, that doesn't count. It was devised for using nuclear warheads and massdestruction. Wing Zero on the contrary was just...uh...over the top. But everbody was in god mode on that show anyways, that's part of why it was so crappy.

I already said it on another thread, the biggest problem for me with the whole SEED shows is, that they lack a certain realism( now just don't give me the "yeah, like Gundams are real" talk...that's not what I'm on about). In SEED(including destiny) everything tends to go over the top, too. Be it the pilots who advance to god-mode levels and do all their maneuvering and fighting without any problems or strain on them at all or the Gundam technology. They went from ammo using guns to beam rifles in a year, changed from "mere" superarmor(sry, forgot the freakin' name) to beam shields. And beam shields are not even in a test phase, every larger MS unit that rolls out of the factory seems to be equipped with it.
The whole military is a joke, people not questioning certain orders, others not following orders at all without any consequences. Cruisers and normal MS being completely useless and torn apart in the blink of an eye by all the uber-hyper-shitload-MS.
A colony drop which lasts for maybe 10 minutes and doesn't seem to have that much of an effect on earth. Politics are just a joke in SEED...c'mon, if everything was as simple as it is there, I would be the ruler of my own state by now.

I admit, UC is far from perfect either, but at least in some points concerning realism it owns the whole SEED timeline. Technology advanced on a more believeable scale( it took 7 years to develop Zeta) and the first Gundam was nowhere near the capabilities of even a Strike. Most of the bad-ass suits of UC did never attain a power level close to that of SEED, no matter if Zeta, ZZ, Ex-S, Alex, Physalis or whatever. Even more important, grunt suits were capable of taking out Gundams. It was not easy, but possible. And at least in some of the OVAs, grunt suits were essential to battles(Stardust, 08th MS).
The military felt more real...'though it is hard to say why right now. Maybe because of the plastic feel of all stuff in SEED. Technology, infrastructure and all the stuff going on in the federation had a more realistic feel to it. YOu were reprimanded for not obeying orders and you could actually see a "normal" military. In SEED it is all about the aces and they can do whatever they want. Everything else is suddenly controlled by some completely insane politicians who are not questioned at all although their lack of experience, intelligence or even ethics.

Still I like GS and GSD, for its nice animation and well designed MS. I even enjoy the story, but more on a "what happens next" level and not on a "freakin awesome, godmode kira destroys even more shitloads of MS and stupid kiddo shinn still gets no reprecussions for being such a fool" level. And to everyone now commenting again with stuff like "you don't like it? don't watch it!"...don't you get it? the thing is, that i like it, but i'd like to see some improvements made, so that it can be better. and there's really nothing bad in trying to be better. Stop argueing with all those lame stuff you learned while playing WoW, where everybody uses "arguments" like that. o_O