Phase 46 Discussion

[masamuneehs]

Originally posted by: Naruto_RNG
I just saw 46 and i got to say it was good eps, with meer dying and all. next eps title is Meer " Confront the world of nightmares Freedom" to me that means that kira is giving up the kill policy and going for the kill or lacus is dumping kira.

what are your thoughts?

LOL! I'm sorry Naruto/RNG but I believe you've missed it entirely!

"Meer" seems to be another 'character profile' episode. Sometimes these episodes have some plot development in them (especially "Stellar" and "Kira") but because Meer is dead I see it as largely a recap episode... which is terrible because of how little time is left in the series...

As for Kira dropping his no kill policy because of the words they say at the end of the episode... I don't think that's ever been more than a vague suggestion of what the night episode may cover (and who it will mostly center around)

Bottomline: Kira will not drop the no-kill policy. I'll eat my hat if he does.

[FelixZeroAlastor]

I'll hold you to that eating your hat thing masamuneehs. If Kira kills one person then you have to eat your hat.

[Strike Freedom]

Originally posted by: masamuneehs

Originally posted by: Naruto_RNG
I just saw 46 and i got to say it was good eps, with meer dying and all. next eps title is Meer " Confront the world of nightmares Freedom" to me that means that kira is giving up the kill policy and going for the kill or lacus is dumping kira.

what are your thoughts?

LOL! I'm sorry Naruto/RNG but I believe you've missed it entirely!

"Meer" seems to be another 'character profile' episode. Sometimes these episodes have some plot development in them (especially "Stellar" and "Kira") but because Meer is dead I see it as largely a recap episode... which is terrible because of how little time is left in the series...

As for Kira dropping his no kill policy because of the words they say at the end of the episode... I don't think that's ever been more than a vague suggestion of what the night episode may cover (and who it will mostly center around)

Bottomline: Kira will not drop the no-kill policy. I'll eat my hat if he does.

U said it, u better stick to it....so it doesn't matter...anywhere left in the series if he drops his no kill policy by killing someone (and I know he does [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] ) then u eat a hat. I'd prefer a video of u doing that in WMV format please =)

[heero]

I think Kira will have to kill someone eventually just like he did in the last episode of Seed

[Darknodin]

Originally posted by: Naruto_RNG
I just saw 46 and i got to say it was good eps, with meer dying and all. next eps title is Meer " Confront the world of nightmares Freedom" to me that means that kira is giving up the kill policy and going for the kill or lacus is dumping kira.

what are your thoughts?

mmm maybe something worse... Lacus is tha bad guy and Kira has to kill her! or the other way around...

[SFreedomZGMFx20a]

Originally posted by: Naruto_RNG
I just saw 46 and i got to say it was good eps, with meer dying and all. next eps title is Meer " Confront the world of nightmares Freedom" to me that means that kira is giving up the kill policy and going for the kill or lacus is dumping kira.

what are your thoughts?

If Lacus dumps kira, fukuda is so dead. Kira abandoning the no-kill-policy, ok i want to see him kill ppl like in seed.

BTW: Lacus is 18, and she doesnt know all, but a world without hope is kinda bad. U born and everything is decided, i dont like that.

[Takeda Natsuke]

I kinda wished Cagalli was in that episode... Not for Athrun, but I'd laugh my ass off if Cagalli punched Meer like she did to (crap his freakin name has slipped my mind. It's that son of the fat guy in orb... crap). To be honest, Lacus and Cagalli would be like good cop/bad cop. Before, Cagalli was good cop with all the "no fighting or I'll cry!" and Lacus was like "We must!". But now Cagalli seems like someone who would be like, "I'll shove my foot up your ass SO high you'd be spitting toenails out of your mouth!" and Lacus is like, "I don't want to kill anyone."

Blah blah blah....

Athrun pwns. For a while I was questioning who the main character REALLY is in GSD since they've given Shinn about 5 minutes to develop as a character and not as a fighter. I suddenly think that Athrun is the protoganist of the story now, since all the shit going on revolves around him. The story would have been so much better if Athrun was the main character, because it fits and I like the name "Gundam SEED Justice" for a title. It's more original! lol

But I do happen to like the Shinn/Luna development more. They're slowly bridging a gap b/w Luna and Rey, which is what I think is the best way to bridge a gap b/w Shinn and Rey, as well. I believe Luna will be the central role to Shinn's defection, making her a central character for the final episodes.

I sort of wish the next episode would be Gundam SEED Destiny - EDITED Episode 2 instead of taking up an episode. It's such a waste and I frankly don't see what's the point. They never did that to Flay... But then again, Flay was just a moron... yes.. moron is the word...

And once again, Yzak and Dearka have played their part and are gone. I see no reason why they would defect right now, but I have the opinion that Dearka will defect first, if it ever happens.

....Kira can't shoot for shit without an MS. He's like Luna on an MS, they just can't aim.

As my friend told me when he was watching...

"Damn.. I could have crapped a better series."

[Strike Freedom]

LOL, funny stuff there Natsuke, about the Cagalli and Lacus part.

I do agree with your point about Athuran being the main guy in the series. If you look back, he's probably had more screen time and an role than Kira and Shinn. If he is, then does that mean that he dies??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]

[masamuneehs]

In reference to eating my hat: I am talking about killing, not some stupid manslaughter shit or forcing a guy into a corner and then he self-destructs or anything like that.

Oh and STRIKEFREEDOM don't spoil you stupid little twerpy piece of shit! (but now i have a chance to go out and buy a different hat, cuz my Buffalo Bills hat will not be touched)

[Strike Freedom]

Originally posted by: masamuneehs
In reference to eating my hat: I am talking about killing, not some stupid manslaughter shit or forcing a guy into a corner and then he self-destructs or anything like that.

Oh and STRIKEFREEDOM don't spoil you stupid little twerpy piece of shit! (but now i have a chance to go out and buy a different hat, cuz my Buffalo Bills hat will not be touched)

LOL, Masamuneehs, I was messing around, hence the emoticon " [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] " but it was well worth your reaction....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[PSJ]

This show is starting to suck. While i enjoyed that Sarah character she didn't last to long. Every frame with Meer and Rey are a pain and Lacus has started to get annoying. I would bitchslap the person that was inpersonating me until they cried for an ass rape.

There is absolutly nothing intense happening, they put there life on the line for Meer who is an idiot and deserved to die. It fucking sucked. Neo/Mwu made a move on Ramiasu and it wasn't very subtle, to think he still calls himself Neo. To me it looked like he wanted to take advantage of the situation and have a good fucking since the only female around him until recently was that god so annoying retard Stellar.

Nothing more to say about this crapfest of an episode exept that we can expect even more bullshit the next episode.

[Terracosmo]

I'm starting to wonder what the fuck I was smoking in my first post.

[masamuneehs]

Well Terra, I'll tell you this now, it certainly was some funky-motherfucking stuff... This episode blew serious crappy smelly goat balls.

[Marcis]

By the way - have you all noticed that real Meer picture at the end of 46?
It looks exactly like screenshot from Macross Plus, Meer=Myung?
Mr. Fukuda ripped off another show.

[Terracosmo]

Except that Myung was hotter... or so I think. Been a while since I saw Macross Plus.

Edit: Man I just finished a Seed episodes 45-50 maraton. Destiny cannot begin to compare. EVER. After all these times I've seen Seed, it still gives me shivers. Truly the best show ever made. And Realize the best opening by FAR. It's so aweeeeeeeeeesome

[DDBen]

Hmm so let me get this straight in the remaining 5 episodes of GSD first we start off with a episode that essentially recapped what we already knew about Meer and offered little plot advancement of any kind. The real purpose of this episode seemed to be allowing Fukuda to show some of the female characters in new outfits. In order to sell more of the little figures.

Kira with a guy was totally pointless as his no kill policy and apparent lack of aim showed him as utterly useless at shooting while Athrun got every kill. Although Kira MAY have shot the gernaide out of the air thats still unknown.

Now for a added episode left them with a disk and a picture. These items seem to have the soul purpose of giving us ANOTHER clip show. Why on earth did they kill off the moon base in one pointless episode only to punish us with a virtual clip show where the new footage amounted to nothing happening and then follow it up with another actual clip show. This is really turning out to be a absolutely horrible series.

[Terracosmo]

Kira is obviously just the poster boy of Destiny since he's the most popular character. There really is no other reason, because as you guys say, Athrun is really the one being focused on all the time. Athrun was seen almost constantly in Seed too, making him the ultimate Seed lead. While I'm not a big fan of either of the 3 main chars, at least Athrun sort of develops a bit - thought it felt like he was back at square 1 during most of Destiny. (then again that applies to all characters... except maybe Yzak & Dearka).

Which also makes me think, why the fuck do people like a one-dimensional piece of shit moron like Kira?

[masamuneehs]

^^^^^^^^^
YES! FUCK KIRA! How boring and washed-up can a character get in the span of 50 episodes? How static and immobile can his character become while he is constantly proved to be infallible and invincible by a franchise that made its name in portraying all people as humans, with human strengths and human weaknesses?

I liked Kira alot in Seed, although I sort of lost a small amount when he started spouting his babble about not killing people in wars. His role in Destiny has made me utterly hate him. However, I blame Lacus Clyne and her constant role as -I'm-Always-So-Right-&-MorallyUpstanding-&-You-Should-Listen-To-Me- woman...

Athrun is too big of a pussy in Destiny for me to really like. It is true that he has the most development, even if its mostly going back and doubting whether he should do what he is doing, but I feel like his inability to act constipates the series and parts and I can't believe how utterly useless he can be one minute and then take charge the next.

Shinn is a great character because he is human. He exudes flaws and weakness just as much as he does confidence and power. Unfortunatley I feel like the dialogue he has is constantly stilted to portray him quite narrowly, and we're too often left to interpet his questioning of his lifestyle and Dullindal (and Rey) for ourselves via his facial expressions and body language. Lets hope they don't totally abandon Shinn in these final 3 episodes...

[Kovash]

I notice a distinct trend here;

1 - Random Persons complain about the shallow characters and plot points of Destiny.
2 - One of Three people (myself included) defend them using valid points.
3 - The people who complained completely ignore us and keep complaining, without offering ANY points.
4 - One of tghe same Three people attempt another defence (which is realy the first defence worded differently)
5- We get ignored again.

So I'll save myself a bit of bother, I suppose.

*Insert long-winded, general defence for the character of Kira, Lacus, Athrun, Shinn and Destiny as a whole.*



Note: 'I hate Lacus' is not a point of argument, neither is 'Kira cannot be beaten outside of a plotline'

Note2: I almost feel like ranting about how the 'Kira cannot be beaten outside of a plotline' is such a TERRIBLE reason for hating the show, but I guess I'll just be ignored some more.

Note3: Thanks to 'KapsLocked' - no annoyance is directed at you.

Note4: I'm not asking everyone to just start loving the show because I say it's good, but rather consider the reasons you don't like it, some of you might find them lacking. (oh god... I sound like Lacus >_< )

EDIT: I changed Anger to Annoyance, since I don't acctually get angry, just frustrated that no one seems to listen. And I added Note4.

[alukard]

Kira is not one dimensional. His development is stunted. The lead will always get more attention from the director & audience alike. If you want character development for Kira go back to GS and dont tell me that Kira has no character. Some people portrait him as a scene hog taking the main role away from Shinn and saying it's director's posterboy and such and i agree. The more Kira appears in GSD the more he will be resented. You know what will make people even happier? If the Archangel exits with a bang; that all the cameo characters except their favorites (like Yzak & Dearka who didnt interfere with Shinn in any way) get blown up by Minerva and her crew by the end of the show. This is what you call cameo syndrome; some enjoy seeing the story continue into the next chapter & some say it kills the story. It's true that after a while as you know someone more & more you don't really want to know more. I'm going to be go Doctor Phil on you for just a second: people feel 'married' to Kira and Cagalli and Athrun and Lacus or whoever their favorite couples were; yes, even Dearka and Yzak, however strange that may sound. Now just seeing Kira makes them puke & want to severe this & wish they have a heart attack or something bad happens. That's the only reason why i think people don't like Kira not because he's bland. Im sure after going through a war that there's no doubt left for Kira on how to prevent it so he seem to be a know-it-all and doesn't say much. Heck even Shinn seems overbearing because the one word he seem to say the most is "sure" or "die logos" or "you dont know jack" when Shinn himself is carrying his sense of "justice" with this crap and blur any sense of reality.

Of course Kira feels strange and distant because he is not the protagonist and for the reason stated earlier. I like Kira because he shed tears when he kills an enemy. Shinn exudes flaws yes; his character is full of holes. He's not even human. The only few instances were i can relate to him was when he lost his family. He kills Orb's general and was like "who's that guy?" Even if he forgot who is who im sure there are pictures of the guy whose flagship he's after. It's been only a one or two year and Shinn forgot? Poor grunt he's just a puppet for Dulindal.

Even OJ Simpson seem innocent as a lamb when he cried about his crimes in his friend's lap as his 4x4 cruises down the freeway with all of America watching this disgraceful admittance of guilt. Shinn had none of that and the only voice of reason that 'woked' this numb-skull up in his premature view of justice was Athrun's (the current pilot of IJustice) 'ghost.' Shinn goes after people left & right with no sense of reasoning of his own screaming his same blahs "you're annoying," "you don't know nothing about me," "Don't get in my way, im after Logos" or simply just "die Kira lover." Wow i can sure relate to that lord drama of dramas of adolescent testosterone infused banter. Athrun was the only character that made sense. I can't use the you know who as an example because the crowd of Shinn lovers will shred me to pieces so that im hanging onto the only other person who people dont target particularly when they're siding with Shinn.

Shinn's reasoning was like I got a bigger club than yours. Until you can prove otherwise, im better than you.