Fukuda Rants & Rave

[Strike Freedom]

Alright guys, I think this topic is well overdue since many of us still complain about Fukuda.

so here i go....

What the fuck happened to GSD? It had so much potential, but now it is literally SEED recycled all over again. Actually, it is worse than SEED with all the freaking recaps. I would really like to know what is the reasoning behind episode 47. That episode just did it for me, I was patient but now I snapped. I'm not saying he's the worst director ever, but for the love of Gundams don't butcher a series that had some potential to be one of the great ones. I am a Kira/Athuran/AA fan, but I truly do believe that the series would had been better if they would have sticked to their minor roles.

What goes through this guy's head as he is making this? What is influencing him to go through these radical and unstable changes in the series?

Fukuda should have never gone through a sequel of the series if he was just going to recycle the original. I was rewatching SEED and was like "shit, this is the same BS, from dialogue, battles, character development up to mobile suits.

I still stick with my original idea, the final should consist of Fukuda including himself in the last battle getting raped by all four characters (Rey, Shinn, Athuran & Kira). That would be the greatest all time ending!

[Terracosmo]

Fukuda is a fucktard who ruined the sequel to the best show ever by loading it with stuff that drooling fanboys want. It's all about explosions and random idiocy, and has no substance whatsoever. There are ridiculous amounts of things he could have executed differently, but for some god forsaken reason he settled for the "safe cards". He didn't take any chances, but instead revamped the Seed ending with a different "skin". There are more plot holes than in a swiss cheese, and it's also blatantly obvious that the script has been changed to match model kit sales. At least in Seed it was pretty subtle. In Destiny, everyone also survives explosions for some reason - which has utterly killed the show's believability. All of the characters which we thought would die have died. It is predictable beyond words.

Again, there was so much promise and so little effort needed to make this an awesome show - because I still believe that episodes 1-30 were great. After that it hastily declined.

Easy changes that could have saved the series:

- Heine should have been a permanent character.
- Djibril's past should have been developed, or at least make him more than "generic villain #248142914892 but with lipstick".
- Yzak should have been used much more.
- (THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT) Kira should have died in episode 34. I am NOT saying that because I hate Kira (which I do), I am saying it because from every single point of view it would have made the series better. Kira has just been "there" in Destiny. HIS ROLE IS FUCKING OVER. He isn't even a character anymore, just a robot which can destroy anything.
- MWU SHOULD HAVE STAYED DEAD
- Nobody should survive explosions

Take a moment and ponder on the above. Wouldn't that be a great series?

The only thing that can save the ending for me at this point is how Rey plays out. Who is he and what is his purpose? How will he die? (because he will)
Please... don't screw that up too...

[Jurojin]

I agree.

GSD would have been so much better had Kira been killed off. It would have given GSD that twist that makes it unique from so many other incarnations of Gundam. Can anyone tell me if, in a sequal, where the previous main character has been killed by the current main character in the various Gundam incarnations?

Nothing really comes to mind, tbo, and that would have given GSD like UBER fame- (omg, he killed a main character before the end of the series!! he even killed a fan favorite! omg!)

And I think Yzak's little mini-appearences were added in just for people like Terra, who have wet dreams about him. (What? he's all but admitted it.... >_>'). Like, a carrot on a stick. How many times have we seen Yzak and were like "Hey, maybe he'll get a more prominent role this time!!..... Ok, not this time... But maybe next time, they wouldn't just put him in there for eye-candy, now would they?........ crap >_<!"


Every time a mobile suit is destroyed in GSD, and the pilot lives, I get flashbacks of G Gundam. G Gundam was were the mystical stuff was supposed to be crossed into the Gundam universe, not here in GSD :-/

[Nai]

Fukuda seriously needs to kill off his golden child, Kira.

Yes, at first he might have been a somewhat interesting and appealing character ( ... not to me, of course ). But after dozens of episodes in which he has literally done nothing but blown random shit up, tried to make inane justifications and hugged Lacus I'm getting really tired of this trite character.

Fukuda also needs to stop listening to the fanbase. If he's so concerned about the popularity of the show he should just go all the way turn it into fucking Pokemon. Hey, it's not like it's such a long stretch anymore.

You know, Fukuda has had so many fucking good opportunities to change or simply kill off Kira. He could have had Sarah kill off the real Lacus and then had Kira go apeshit on Mia, going "IT'S YOUR FAULT YOU BITCH!!!" as he pulled up a gun and shot her in the head. Naturally, that would make Asuran to flip out on his ass and engage in deadly combat.

... Or he could have simply let Kira die when Shinn owned him. You know, to add some actual consequences to death in this show. But nah, only the bad or sexy guys can die. I also love how Kira was all "oh yeaaah, I was so distracted" when he spoke to Asuran about his and Shinn's fight. Fucking lame, Fukuda. LAME!

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Easy changes that could have saved the series:

- Heine should have been a permanent character.
- Djibril's past should have been developed, or at least make him more than "generic villain #248142914892 but with lipstick".
- Yzak should have been used much more.
- (THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT) Kira should have died in episode 34. I am NOT saying that because I hate Kira (which I do), I am saying it because from every single point of view it would have made the series better. Kira has just been "there" in Destiny. HIS ROLE IS FUCKING OVER. He isn't even a character anymore, just a robot which can destroy anything.
- MWU SHOULD HAVE STAYED DEAD
- Nobody should survive explosions

I actually agree with every single one of those points ( surprising, eh ).

Heine could have provided some much needed logic and sense into the show. Plus, he had sexy hair and a hot gouf. Djibril could have been so much more. I mean fuck, we never even were told why he hated coordinators so much. He just did, because he was evil. Yzak fighting Kira or Asuran or anybody that isn't a grunt at some point would also have been neat. And yes, I can't help but feel that the whole purpose of death has been greatly diminished in GSD. When I first watched 34, I thought to myself "this is the best fucking shit ever." Once I discovered that Kira was no longer dead it just became painfully pointless.

Also, I think Kira should simply be referred to as "the giant plot device" in the future. As that is really all his shallow personality amounts to.

[Freki]

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Easy changes that could have saved the series:

- Heine should have been a permanent character.
- Djibril's past should have been developed, or at least make him more than "generic villain #248142914892 but with lipstick".
- Yzak should have been used much more.
- (THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT) Kira should have died in episode 34. I am NOT saying that because I hate Kira (which I do), I am saying it because from every single point of view it would have made the series better. Kira has just been "there" in Destiny. HIS ROLE IS FUCKING OVER. He isn't even a character anymore, just a robot which can destroy anything.
- MWU SHOULD HAVE STAYED DEAD
- Nobody should survive explosions

I agree with most of that. I would rather have no characters from SEED having major roles in this show, even Yzak, and I really think that Kira dying in 34 wouldn't have saved the show, he needs to be gone sooner, I really do think you said 34 just cuz you hate him. The AA crew would have been affected differently I guess, but Athrun would have been the same afterward since he thought he was dead, and as the series progressed and Athrun went back to AA it would have been Athrun on one side with Rey and Shinn on other which would have put AA in an impossible situation in Orb battle.

I think if you wanna save GSD from Kira you have to get rid of him at a much early point in series. I think GSD would have been much better if Kira and the whole AA crew hadn't been involved like they were. I think the show would have been better if they didn't try to split the focus amoung so many people, and focused only on Minerva with Athrun never joining them. Then we could be getting Shinn developing and eventually turning against the chairman resulting in a battle between him and Rey which would be much better then Athrun and Kira vs Shinn and Rey, if for no other reason then Kira has very little connection to Shinn and Rey other then having battled both at some point. If they really wanted old characters in they could have Shinn run into Kira or someone else make a cameo. Heine could have stayed with Minerva longer, but I still think he should have died but maybe closer to end of series.

Wow that ended up as much more typing then I intended, and really my ideas are prolly terrible but I would have preferred almost anything that tried to break away from SEED characters and be its own series.

[Gangrel]

Actually a good way to use Kira as a character would be to actually keep him as a civillian and just let him get into a crap MS (zaku is ok), to save someone he cared about get destroyed and die happy. Much like Ahtrun getting in that MS in first episode to save Kagari. I mean, wth is he doing on this series? I don't suppose even the Kira lovers actually think he is a good character anymore.

This show needs drama, not some lame speechs, lame excuses for war and other crap. After 47 episodes of the lack of character development, fanboy's crap, much recaps, I can see Destiny surpassing Wing as worst Gundam show ever. It doesn't matter if the show started well and got worst, cause I would prefer 10x more the other way around as anybody else.

I would prefer if they just made new characters instead of reusing the same ones. I think Kira was already developed, had nothing more to show. Pretty much AA crew should just vanished and fuck I still can't believe they brought Mwu back to life. If only Fukuda was a good director and not some lame idiot who hear everything a fanboy says.

It doesn't matter anymore, but if they ever make a new show based on Seed Universe, I hope they just make an entirely new show, with no reused characters, reused scenes or the other crap we all know it's in Destiny...

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: Freki

Originally posted by: Terracosmo
Easy changes that could have saved the series:

- Heine should have been a permanent character.
- Djibril's past should have been developed, or at least make him more than "generic villain #248142914892 but with lipstick".
- Yzak should have been used much more.
- (THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT) Kira should have died in episode 34. I am NOT saying that because I hate Kira (which I do), I am saying it because from every single point of view it would have made the series better. Kira has just been "there" in Destiny. HIS ROLE IS FUCKING OVER. He isn't even a character anymore, just a robot which can destroy anything.
- MWU SHOULD HAVE STAYED DEAD
- Nobody should survive explosions

I agree with most of that. I would rather have no characters from SEED having major roles in this show, even Yzak, and I really think that Kira dying in 34 wouldn't have saved the show, he needs to be gone sooner, I really do think you said 34 just cuz you hate him.

Yeah or maybe I said 34 because SHINN BLOWS FREEDOM UP THERE. Of course, if someone shot Kira down 20 eps earlier I wouldn't complain. But if they have their duel then why not end him there?

Also,

"^^^^^^During the final battle Rey and Shinn team up on Kira, and just before Athrun convinces Shinn to come over to their side Rey thrusts his beam sabre all the way through both Shinn and Kira's cockpits, killing them both. Rey gets the best Double Kill award in the Postgame Carnage Report."

BRILLIANT

[DDBen]

First off I'd like to state killing Kira would be pointless and is only being called for by those who have obvious hatred for him for any number of reasons.

That said, having the characters actually develope would have been a far better solution.
- Not even including Rey in the series as he has absolutely no point aside from allowing them to further rehash the Gundam Seed story.
- Shinn needed to be less of a whiney bitch overall developing his character and having closure on issues like his family dying would have been great. Nothing with Shinn has changed from episode one until now.
- Athrun should have not gone through the EXACT same developement as Seed. Yes the pacing is differn't but he is almost 100% identical to how he acted in GS
- The EA should have actually had some new mobile suits that were not cannon fodder. I'm sorry but why have Destroy if they are just going to die like Zaku's and the other mobile armors make no sense for the EA. A large military should not have a relatively small amount of troops in uber mechs as it makes zero sense from any sort of standpoint.
- Considering the existance of Astray it would have been nice to see some interaction with the characters from it. A random cameo would be fine. I just would have liked to see any sort of tie in as Astray is something that really interests me.
- Shinn should have at some point been either captured or defeated. I mean he has no motivation at all in this series. Stellar frankly was pointless and there was no reason for her to die. If he's going to use random girls to instill him with his seed ability. I just wish they bothered to do some sort of developement that didn't involve his penis and a retard.
- Lunamaria and Rey should have been either killed off or developed more. You all complain about Kira and Athrun being resurrected. Yet nobody mentions that Rey AND Luna also blew up in there Gundams and yet magically survived. Luna has done nothing but look cute. In her gunner she was virtually useless and now in Impulse she still can't aim. Yet for such a dry character why on earth would she be in a mobile suit with such a name to begin with.
- There should have been a stated limit to the number of fliers that the Minerva contains. There was no excuse in 34 for Shinn to cannon fodder parts of impulse when chances are there is no factory making him more of them. They stated that Savior was to specific of a design to get replacement parts so why should he get to blow up half a dozen parts of impulse with NOBODY blinking.
- After the battle with Stellar in destroy the fact that Zaft tracked down AA with a HUGE force when they just had several cities worth of units destroyed just didn't work for me. Not only should the AA have been underwater to begin with but there was no excuse for them to move in that many troops after Minerva was sent in ALONE vs the MS that had just massacred several cities.
- Calgari and Athrun or Kira and Lacus should be married by now. Why are we rehashing established relationships. I mean come on you've been dating Lacus for over 3 years Kira by now you should be doing more then a occasional hug. As for Athrun is was good to see him basically get engaged to Calgari but whats with her political wedding in the first place Orb isn't freaken England and I see no purpose in her ever having been set up in a arranged marriage.
- Meer should NEVER have existed. We certainly don't need 2 of Lacus. One is more then enough and everything about Meer simply felt like a waste of time. Episodes 46 and 47 made me feel the same as the back to back recap episodes in seed around episode 25 and 26.
- For the love of god there should be no recaps after the halfway point in a series. This is the second one in the last 10 episodes and right now the plot should be in high gear with positions established. It shouldn't be sitting in quicksand with Dullindale announcing the Destiny plan and Shinn for the first time thinking.
- Heine should have played a more major role in the series.
- The druggies should have either been killed off later OR they should have been replaced. The EA seemed essentially pointless in this war. Seriously the entire planet had what 3 elite drugged up soldiers and a mind wiped Mwu. Nobody else from the EA put up any sort of fight and even the Doms are random Zaft pilots.

Thats enough for now I'll post more later.

[Jurojin]

@DDBen-

Kira dying would have been a major boost in the series. I don't care that there are X number of kira fanatics, it would have made the series go into new and fresh ground for a gundam series (again, unless someone can cite a series where this has happened already).

If you play the Fukada/safe/stupid way, then yes, you keep Kira alive despite the impossibleness of it (what, is Kira related to Mwu now?["I make the impossible, possible!"]). Then the Kira fans can go wet themselves @ regular intervals whenever he winks or smiles all knowingly.

If you play the innovative and, admittedly, gambling way, then you kill Kira off in episode 34, which polorizes Athrun et al (and the kira fans) against ZAFT, and you stop having 10 episodes of "well.. I dunno what to do... I want to not fight but I blah blah blah blah blah." It gives it direction (revenge for Kira, stopping a psychopath, preventing the Destiny Plan, whatever you want to call it). We're supposed to be 2-3 episodes from the end of the series, right? how much are they going to leave unexplained? unless they make them hourlong episodes @ least, there's very little chance of resolving much of anything. If they had killed Kira off 13 episodes ago, there would have been much more time for plot development around 2-3 characters, namely Athrun, Shinn, and Rey(maybe him, that's iffy), instead of this stagnant shuffle that we've had since then.


Other than that, I agree with most of what you posted.

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: DDBen
First off I'd like to state killing Kira would be pointless and is only being called for by those who have obvious hatred for him for any number of reasons.

Says the living anti-Shinn. [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

Seriously though, shut the hell up. People here are giving educated and well thought-out reasons to why Kira's death would have improved the series, which is a lot more than you have provided in your countless number of anti-Shinn rants.

[masamuneehs]

If you look at one of the images that appears during Dullindal's unveiling of the Destiny Plan in Episode 47 it shows a young blonde boy with a bunch of charts and things around him, making it look like he is the poster boy for the Destiny Plan. I really believe this is Rey...

FUK FUKUDA!! Seriously, I'll rant here properly and long-windedly later on. Suffice to say that half of my 420 posts are bashing this retards handling of GSD...

hehe 420 posts... that calls for a special bowlpack. heheh.

[Terracosmo]

Fucking amen.

I also noticed that comment of Kira's in ep 46 or whatever. It was like throwing additional salt in the "Kira can own everything" wound. Lame indeed...

[XwingRob]

I will definately agree that Gundam SEED Destiny isn't as good as it should be. And part of the reason is that they have put too much power into Kira Yamato and friends. Though I'm not sure if killing him at episode 34 would have been the greatest idea though..
Basically if there is a third SEED series, this director should not be in charge of it because of the reason that Terra stated, and that is he doesn't take chances, nor does he change any of the characters.

[Digitalgirl]

GAH!!!!! wth is Fukuda thinking?!?! Why was ep. 47 a recap!!?!?! Why is this show so much worse than it should have been?!

[masamuneehs]

So I'm wondering if we can tack on some kind of Poll Topic, an entire thread dedicated to how: How Can Fukuda Save GSD in 2 Episodes?

Choices include:
^^^^^^Mwu knocks up Maryu and uses his new priveliged position within ArchAngel to pull a Trojan Horse on the ArchAngel and be like, "Bitch, I never knew who the hell this Mwu La Flaga guy is that you always ramble on about when I'm boning you. I'm Neo Lornokke bitch! SLAP. ZAFT firing squad finishes it off.

^^^^^^During the final battle Rey and Shinn team up on Kira, and just before Athrun convinces Shinn to come over to their side Rey thrusts his beam sabre all the way through both Shinn and Kira's cockpits, killing them both. Rey gets the best Double Kill award in the Postgame Carnage Report.

^^^^^^ EAF suddenly emerges with a brand new, super powerful form of Externals. This time the pilots aren't children, because the new drug can reanimate the corpses fallen veterans of the wars. Auel, Stellar, Sting, Nichol, Heine, everyone comes back and are all brainwashed and used to make a final push for a Pure and Blue World! Azrael leads, naturally.

^^^^^^ The Ring of Power is finally taken, through epic struggles on brave Frodo and Samwise Gangy to Mount Doom whilst Aragorn... what? huh? you say that's been used already? Well golly be! I had no idea! Shucks, back to the drawing board!

^^^^^^ Quick boss Fukuda is running out of ideas to finish two episodes.
How about another recap? We still haven't done Talia or Rey-
No no don't be stupid! You know he never wrote any kind of actual backstory or anything like that for them!
You know, was in the boss' office last Tuesday.... Don't tell anyone this, I could seriously get fired...
Come on!
...............Well, you better not, not if you don't want me to crap Taco Bell all over the backseat of your Pinto. You know that pad he says he writes "ideas" on?
Waht about them?
All Fukuda X Kira yaoi porn...
That explains everything!

Seriously I dunno. Where did that come from? Goodnight folks!

[masamuneehs]

Wow, this back and forth bickering heating up.

DDBen, in your first post I believe you mistake some of the EFFECTS of bad script writing and directing for CAUSES of the shittiness of GSD.

Having Rey, Meer, Shinn's cocky/bitchy/whiny/aggressive personality, the EAF decline after losing Phantom Pain, Lunamaria in the series were all excellent opportunities. They've just been neglected by the script and the focusing more on Seed characters. Also, if you're going to make the case for having Shinn be captured or defeated at some point in the series, you are ignoring the bigger Bullshit Invincible Character. Kira survived a cockpit shot, averted a nuclear explosion, and was fished out of freezing waters by a retreating ArchAngel.... And lets not also mention Sting's surviving Chaos' crash or Mwu doing the same.

Also DDBen, you express alot of Fukuda like thinking by basing what should happen on which characters are popular in the fanbase. This is a recipe for rehashed garbage, an extremely conservative formula that Fukuda has stuck to so much that its pathetic. Any character from the original Seed series is portrayed as being "the good guy" and none of them have died, despite being in peril in numerous episodes.

Oh, and War is about Death. War dramas are fueled by the constant threat that almost any character can die at anytime. But in Destiny we essentially know that Seed characters will survive and others like Rey, Stellar, Auel, Sting, DOM Troopers, Heine and Meer (though I thought she'd survive actually) are the only ones at risk of getting killed.

Remember how they used to end the previews of episodes for the original Mobile Suit Gundam? Not with some corny idealistic line, but with an ominous "Who will survive?" THAT is war, that is the basis of what Gundam is, not model kits, not popular fanbase, not favoring certain VAs (YzakcoughcoughYzak) but telling a believable and exciting story about imperfect human beings and their efforts in war.

[Freki]

I know what events happened in 34 that made you pick that episode, I simply thought that actually thinking that that would somehow have saved GSD is foolish, and the only reason to support killing him then or at any point, as opposed to simply not involving him in show, is cuz you hate him and wanna just see him die on screen. Athrun's actions would have been the same and the AA crew wouldn't go on about revenge since they would prolly stay true to the belief that revenge wouldn't solve anything. The only difference his death in 34 would cause would be to disrupt the balance of Ace pilots in GSD. Who could possibly fill in for Kira to help Athrun fight Rey and Shinn at this late point in the series? Nt to mention the fact that the first SF v Destiny battle happened while Athrun was injured still. All killing Kira would do would make Eternal gone after episode 39 and Orb would fall when Zaft attacked to get Djibril. That is why you don't get rid of Kira, the series would have nowhere left to go unless we followed Minerva around for 10 episodes not fighting anyone until they decided to go against the chairman, but without some voice of opposition I don't see that happening, not to mention the fact that involving AA crew at all so that that can be their end is the most pointless waste of all their screen time.

I think they only way GSD could have really been better was if it had been seperate from SEED and not involved any of the characters in prominent roles. They should have started fresh, by keeping so many characters around they had to split time between all their old characters and all the new ones and obviously there was not enough character development to go around. Having Kira in the series and killing him could work but I don't see it serving any real purpose other then satisfying the people who hate him, it would have been much better just to abandon him, and the other old characters, after SEED.

Also, while main characters should not be above the possibility of dying, simply killing off main characters because it hasn't been done in a Gundam series is stupid. You shouldn't be killing main characters just because they are a main character just like you shouldn't keep someone around just because they are a main character.

[Nai]

Originally posted by: Freki
... is cuz you hate him and wanna just see him die on screen.

Or because he's at a literal dead end when it comes to character development.

There are no surprises with Kira. No changes. No mystery. No development. And this, this is what makes him a boring and placid character. I cannot fathom why ANYONE would enjoy him at this point. He has the personality of a rock, the hairstyle of a mop and the voice of a prepubescent boy who's been spanked far too many times.

Originally posted by: Freki
The only difference his death in 34 would cause would be to disrupt the balance of Ace pilots in GSD

Right, because right now we have such excellent balance. His very EXISTENCE is what disrupts the freakin' balance. How can a battle be exciting when you know he will swoop down in the last second and "LolZ PwnZ" everyone in a matter of seconds? That is, unless he gets "distracted" or some bullshit like that according to our beloved Fukuda.

And did you ever stop to think that killing off Kira would perhaps let characters close to him, such as Lacus, develop? I mean, surely losing the person you loved would fuck up your head a bit, no? I'm really touching another issue here, however. The issue of the would be "good guys" not suffering any losses and subsequently no real changes. I guess this kind of plot in which nothing ever occurs past big explosions and the painfully obvious exorcism of all things evil and unjust would appeal to some, however.

[Freki]

Originally posted by: Nai

Originally posted by: Freki
... is cuz you hate him and wanna just see him die on screen.

Or because he's at a literal dead end when it comes to character development.

There are no surprises with Kira. No changes. No mystery. No development. And this, this is what makes him a boring and placid character. I cannot fathom why ANYONE would enjoy him at this point. He has the personality of a rock, the hairstyle of a mop and the voice of a prepubescent boy who's been spanked far too many times.

Originally posted by: Freki
The only difference his death in 34 would cause would be to disrupt the balance of Ace pilots in GSD

Right, because right now we have such excellent balance. His very EXISTENCE is what disrupts the freakin' balance. How can a battle be exciting when you know he will swoop down in the last second and "LolZ PwnZ" everyone in a matter of seconds? That is, unless he gets "distracted" or some bullshit like that according to our beloved Fukuda.

And did you ever stop to think that killing off Kira would perhaps let characters close to him, such as Lacus, develop? I mean, surely losing the person you loved would fuck up your head a bit, no? I'm really touching another issue here, however. The issue of the would be "good guys" not suffering any losses and subsequently no real changes. I guess this kind of plot in which nothing ever occurs past big explosions and the painfully obvious exorcism of all things evil and unjust would appeal to some, however.

Those reasons are the exact reason why I feel he shouldn't be killed in GSD, any involvement from him in the series is too much, even characters who are in there to die should have some kind of positive effect on the quality of the story, having him die in GSD is simply devoting time to him so that he can eventually be killed off for being dull. Also we saw how traumatized Lacus was when her dad was killed off in SEED I would expect the same type of reaction now, she might be saddened, but I doubt it would change her attitude about anything.

And there is balance now, we have 2 Aces against 2 Aces all in the most powerful suits. Sure you may think that Kira is invincible, but so far Shinn is the only one of the 4 to not lose a MS in battle. Everyone goes on and on about invincible Kira when Shinn is just as invincible, one survives being shot down the other never gets shot down. I think there is not a large gap between the two pairs right now, and it would be far worse without Kira there.

[DDBen]

@ Jurojin

First off my bad on calling you PSJ I was posing in 2 topics and made a error due to you having virtually the same opionion. However reguardless of that I was at fault in doing that and will modify the post to correct the error.

As for the flaming lets see

now as for flaming goes your initial comment as follows would be the initial flaming that took place.

I forgot that arguing this point with you is like like bashing my head into a brick wall. It gets nowhere and just ends up giving me brain trauma. You're not going to let go of your Kira plushie and your "Fukada pwns j00" poster, and I'm not going to change my opinion that Kira should have kicked the bucket, for good reason, when he faced off with Shinn.

That was followed by me suggesting you remove your head from your arse however that was not the focus of the post. I didn't comment about anyone flaming until you continued it in the next post by making both a false quote which was nothing but derogatory and offered NOTHING in relation to the conversation at hand.

@Masamuneehs

First off all bad script writing and directing is the fault of Fukada as if he didn't like what he saw in a script he wouldn't have let/had the series go in that direction in the first place.

As for me having Fukada like thinking this is both true and false. The part that is true is that I believe in any story where you have a established main character the fans are going to want to see that main character continue in there role or else why did they watch the first series. Fukada's issue lies purely in the execution of this making characters be either stuck on repeat doing the same thing they did all over again or causing the characters developement to pause for absolutely no reason. The pacing of this show has been terrible from the start. I don't even think for a second this should have been such a global war in the first place. I think that had they done it in a more Astray type setting where the fate of the world wasn't hanging in the balance and we could simply see characters develope with less of the rehashed and pointless politics we would all be far happier.

As for it being a drama about War and Death. While this is completely true of a series that is about more of a squad of guys being shown behind the scenes during a conflict. This is not the case for any show which contains main characters. You simply can't kill the person who is telling the story or there is nothing to tell. Its predetermined that the person will live as otherwise there is nothing to be told. Given this isn't a narative of that nature it is a story that centers around those with the power to do something in a large scale conflict. As such killing a major player would serve to do nothing but stiffle the story. This is the main reason why I would have prefered a much smaller conflict as its easier to kill off someone in order to develope someone else.

@ Freki
I agree with your post so there is nothing to rehash

@ Nai.
Kira's lack of developement is because GSD just has to many characters fighting for screen time then when you cut 1/10th of the episodes and replace them with clip shows there is no time to adequately develope anyone.

Essentially Kira's death serves no purpose in 34 heck Kira serves no real purpose in GSD aside from being a plot device that sells models. If they had simply left the AA out of the entire conflict until either Orb was attacked or Minerva defected the series overall would have worked out a lot better. Note if Kira dies in 34 then Lacus dies in 39 and we have absolutely nothing of worth left except Zaft wins. No Doms No SF or IJ and essentially no plot Fukada painted himself into a corner by immediately including Kira and Athrun and making them follow exactly the same path. The only thing that made this remotely interesting to me was the fact that Kira had become so steadfast in his determination which allowed the plot to change slightly from GS.

@AtHRunOwNZaLL

unfortuneatly we have already seen the Meteors when the Eternal was fighting and they had absolutely no upgrades done to them(that I noticed). This is a result of the Meteors being to big to effectively market as models.
As far as Cameos go if this is really the last series using these characters I truely hope they bring them on as I would love to see the Junk guilds fighting along sige the Clyne faction instead of simply waiting on the sidelines. Mainly due to the fact the destiny plan screws them over as well(no junk means that there MS racket is completely off the table and that they will be doomed to a life as garbage men).