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[poopdeville]

You're obviously incapable of comprehending a rational argument. The web sites I presented were to support my claim that cops are assholes. In particular, there is a systematic tendency to hassle minorities for no good reason. It's not a "few of them," or else black people wouldn't be EIGHT times more likely to be searched than while people. You assume far too much if you think my opinion is based on those websites. It is supported by them. Do you understand the distinction, or are you still in middle school?

Your new attempt to intimidate is laughable, but among the most predictable posts I've read here -- beyond even "Sasuke would cream him" posts. What are you, 12?

[Terracosmo]

Saying that cops are "generally racist", "cops are assholes" & "cops aren't doing their jobs" based on a few websites "as support" doesn't make it a rational argument, buddy. What you are doing is dismissing all the good work cops are doing, as well as indirectly claiming that you wouldn't mind if cops were removed altogether. Either you have a grudge against the police force (perhaps you got beat down personally?) as your way of thinking is obviously on the level of an infant, that, or -YOU- are the 12 year old. Or actually, make that the aforementioned infant.

Oh and to tell the truth, my post wasn't as much of an indimidation as it was a casual spit on a brainless newbie who is apparently proud of being a super pervert. Your comparison to the overall maturity of the posts here seem to be a lot more thought out. Which is admirable, considering that you are a moron. Hugs & kisses. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[drcitan]

Hmmm he must've not been able to open his sharingan

[poopdeville]

So you claim that the statistics I presented are invalid? Because it obviously follows from the claim that black people are eight times as likely to be searched than white people that cops engage in racial profiling. This is straightforward knockdown racism. They are not doing their job (stopping and catching criminals, helping people) when they hassle an innocent person for no reason other than the fact that they're black.

If you don't claim they're invalid, then your claim that my reasoning is not rational is completely spurious. The "good work" police do is not relevant to the claim that police also do bad things. And they do these things a lot.

[Rhanfahl]

Originally posted by: poopdeville
So you claim that the statistics I presented are invalid? Because it obviously follows from the claim that black people are eight times as likely to be searched than white people that cops engage in racial profiling. This is straightforward knockdown racism. They are not doing their job (stopping and catching criminals, helping people) when they hassle an innocent person for no reason other than the fact that they're black.

If you don't claim they're invalid, then your claim that my reasoning is not rational is completely spurious. The "good work" police do is not relevant to the claim that police also do bad things. And they do these things a lot.

First off...let me point out that Cops aren't assholes, PEOPLE ARE ASSHOLES. Cops just happen to be people and are thus bound by the same laws. Let's not get started with the whole racial thing. Statistically you are right, cops are more likely to question an minority, Negroid or Latino over a Caucasian. Why is this? Partially cause they are racist, there ARE racist cops yes. But lets look at another statistic. Percentage-wise which racial groups commit the most crimes? DO you see where I'm going with this. Its just a fact. There are exceptions to ever rule though, I'm by no means say ing that Caucasians are any better people, just that by the numbers don't do as much. Do the cops handle it right? Usually not. Should you hate cops...usually not as well. Cops are very useful, personally I've needed their services twice sending my Schizophrenic Drunk Mother to Jail for attacking my Dad and me. Now, we stay in close contact and I make frequent visits home to check on her. The fact is they are needed. There are just as many good cops as there are bad ones, if not more. But as the media is so frequently quick to do, they will always point out the "pigs" and stereotypes far more often than ones just doing their jobs.

Conclusion,

Grow Up.

Had you looked up a few posts, you would've noticed that people are trying to stop talking about asshole cops in this thread. If you want a response to your post, I suggest putting it up here

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[AtHRunOwNZaLL]

LMFAO wow this pic is hella funny, a sasuke cosplayer trying to shoplift then when he gets caught he changed clothes and goes back in LOL what an idiot and it's hella funny too that after he got arrested he was worried about his cosplay clothes LOL

[Terracosmo]

For every cop in existance who are more likely to search black people (it's hilarity in itself that they even came up with a number for it - eight) there are five who don't.

And yes, it is highly relevant because you wouldn't mind if the police force was removed altogether. I.e you are ignoring the "good work" police in favor of a few select bad things that some random statistics have shown you. Honestly, if you go somewhere else on the net, the "eight times" thing will be "five times" and so on. Statistics is never religion. Especially not when you only listen blindly to them and see nothing else. You are not a cop. You are just some random idiot, who for some reason would prefer the world to be under martial law instead of actually having an authority upon which society itself stands. Ask yourself this. If society is so bad WITH cops, how would it look without them?

You fail, math boy.

[poopdeville]

Quantify your claim that there are five cops who don't engage in racial profiling for each who does. Keep in mind that if 5/6ths of a police force are don't engage in racial profiling, then the remaining sixth is searching about fifty times more black people than the others, assuming the eight times figure from the study. This is totally implausible. The police systematically engage in racial profiling.

As you have said, statistics are not a religion. But when there is a large body of statistics indicating that racial profiling goes on (like this one), and that (depending on the community) black people are between 2 and 10 times more likely to be pulled over or searched, it is naive (indeed, stupid) to suppose that there are just a few bad apples doing the profiling. Indeed, even if black people were "only" five times more likely to be searched by a cop than a white person, your 1/6th of bad apples would be searching about 30 times as many black people as the rest. Totally implausible, unless 5/6th of the police force are just lazy bums.

And why on earth do you think I want the military to govern? (Hint: that's what martial law means)

[aznroyale]

probaly he got arrested cause he was using chidori lols

[Terracosmo]

What? You don't want the military either?

(hint: NO SHIT?)

You know what, I'm quite tired of you at this point, so let's go with your dream society then. No authority whatsoever! Let everybody run free and steal each others' food and stuff. It will be great, because you'll probably last about 5 minutes, and then the rest of us get to laugh at you for being so silly who wanted that to begin with [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[poopdeville]

Blah blah blah. None of this is remotely relevant to the claim that cops are assholes. Being dismissive won't make my claim false. I've presented evidence, and you have not undermined it. You have not presented contradicting evidence. You've just offered red herring after red herring. So the evidence stands, and you look like someone who can't argue his way out of a paper bag. In the end, this is fine with me. Bye! :-D

[Zinobi]

poopdeville and terra shut the fuck up......

Originally posted by: drcitan
Hmmm he must've not been able to open his sharingan

LMAO!!!! i dunno why but tht was funny...........and anyway i think that guy didnt use but he is "Dipshit-no-jutsu"

[XanBcoo]

poopdeville, your problem is that you're just making a stupid generalization. For you to say you hate cops because they're all assholes is like me saying I hate black people for whatever reasons (I'm using this as an example, of course - this goes for any group and any race). You're just hating on a specific group of people based on a few select cases and experiences from "bad apples." But really, for every example you can give of cop "racism" or being an asshole, I can give you a case where an african american male has been genuinely guilty of a crime, or has been even more of an asshole. Does that justify me hating the whole race?? Go ahead and bitch about the police, sure, some of the ones you've encountered might have been jerks. Just don't accuse them of being racist, or targeting a specific group of people, because it makes you sound like a retarded hypocrite. Don't say all cops are assholes, because that is DEFINITELY not true. If you want to make any god arguement, don't stoop to generalizing.
I've also got to say: most of the black people (and white people, and whatever people) I know are NOT out there on a daily basis, either putting their own safety at risk, or trying to make the world a safer place. Police officers are.

Again, I'm not racist at all. Just using this as an example (seems to be a popular one).

In any case, it'd be funny if that kid was wearing sharingan contacts.

[poopdeville]

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
poopdeville, your problem is that you're just making a stupid generalization. For you to say you hate cops because they're all assholes is like me saying I hate black people for whatever reasons (I'm using this as an example, of course - this goes for any group and any race). You're just hating on a specific group of people based on a few select cases and experiences from "bad apples."

No, sorry. I'm hating on cops for systematic racial profiling. I've already presented a large study that shows that black people are eight times more likely to be searched than white people. The study was based on the police's own records. There is no mistake, and it's not a few isolated incidents. I won't say that any one particular cop is a racist (unless there's specific evidence to the fact), but the institution as a whole is racist.

But really, for every example you can give of cop "racism" or being an asshole, I can give you a case where an african american male has been genuinely guilty of a crime, or has been even more of an asshole. Does that justify me hating the whole race??

But you should note that black people are the second largest minority in the US. Last I heard they comprised 17% of the population. Sure, you can find a black person who is genuinely guilty of a crime for each cop that is an asshole. This isn't saying much considering the very large difference in the sizes of the populations.

Let me try to flesh my argument out more. Let's assume that the black population in the US is 17%, and that a study in a region shows that black people are five times more likely to be unfairly searched. Now, for ease in calculation, suppose that there were 100 "mistakes." -- 100 innocent people were unfairly searched. If things were fair, we would expect the probability of being unfairly searched p(B) = p(W), so that there would be 17 black people and 83 white people unfairly searched. This is an average -- small variations from this are insignificant. (So, for instance, if 15 black people and 85 white people were searched, we shouldn't be surprised.)

Good so far? We'll call the total US population "USP." Now, the probability p(B) of a black person being searched unfairly is 5 times greater p(W). So we have the equation: .17 * p(B) * USP + .83 * p(W) * USP = 100. Substituting, it becomes USP (.17 * 5 * p(W) + .83 * p(W)) = 100. We can solve this easily: p(W) = 100/(1.68 * USP). In the end, we would expect p(W) * USP white people to have been unfairly searched, so we end up concluding that about 49 white people were unfairly searched. This means that 51 (more than half) black people were unfairly searched, three times what you would expect. This shows tremendous institutional bias.

This doesn't mean that every cop unfairly searches black people maliciously. What it does mean is that police departments either allow some cops to do it on a massive scale, or more likely, that most cops do it fairly regularly. If you'd like, I can do an analysis to show that the first scenario is very implausible.

Go ahead and bitch about the police, sure, some of the ones you've encountered might have been jerks. Just don't accuse them of being racist, or targeting a specific group of people, because it makes you sound like a retarded hypocrite. Don't say all cops are assholes, because that is DEFINITELY not true. If you want to make any god arguement, don't stoop to generalizing.

I've already made it very clear that the police, as an institution is racist. I would not accuse a particular cop of racism without clear evidence, specifically because he may be one of the nice ones. But keep in mind that people choose to be cops, and they're aware of the enormous discrepancy I've outlined. And even the nice ones choose to look the other way. This isn't "active" racism, but in the end, they let the real racists off the hook.

I've also got to say: most of the black people (and white people, and whatever people) I know are NOT out there on a daily basis, either putting their own safety at risk, or trying to make the world a safer place. Police officers are.

This is true. The police perform a valuable service for their communities. But it's tarnished by the misery they pointlessly cause every day while abusing their priviledge and authority.

Again, I'm not racist at all. Just using this as an example (seems to be a popular one).

I certainly wouldn't accuse you of being racist. Nobody in this conversation has demonstrated anything of the sort.

In any case, it'd be funny if that kid was wearing sharingan contacts.

Yes it would! Or better yet, if he drew a cursed seal all over his face with a sharpie. :-)

[Jaredster]

i love how this thread is going.

[Terracosmo]

Hint: The american police force isn't the only one. In Sweden, for example, there exists no such racial profiling within the force.
Then again I assume this doesn't matter because I don't have random statistics put together by even more random people to back my rational argument up.

Or perhaps you are talking about the US exclusively? In that case, yeah, I'm sure removing the american police force will do wonders for the already extremely low crime rate [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

[Assertn]

terra, how can there be racial profiling in sweden when everyone is of the pasty white variety? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

poopdeville discovered the secret: People learn to make generalizations through stereotypes. Good work. If you're subconsciouly taught that blacks are more likely guilty of suspicious activity than whites, then you'll follow this assumption. If your people fly a plane into our buildings, then we'll be more wary of giving you a plane ticket. People judge all the time, its what they do. When you go for a job interview, when you meet some new friends, when you see a girl walk down the street. It's pretty much unavoidable based on the way society raises us.

If you want to blame someone for racial profiling, blame people like Dave Chappelle

[XanBcoo]

If we stop watching Dave Chappelle, the terrorists win [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

lol at the sharpie cursed seal.

[KitKat]

Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
terra, how can there be racial profiling in sweden when everyone is of the pasty white variety? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

I'm sure he was talking about the terrible racial profiling against transsexuals and guys who worship Yzak. Good work on eliminating this horrible travesty of injustice from your nation's police force, Terra.

On a more serious note though, the point that regional differences must be taken into account is a valid one. Often, statistics that take into account a large area such as a country are averaged over the different regions, so one state might have an extremely high rate, but in another it might be virtually nonexistent. The statistics don't usually tell you this.

[Terracosmo]

I don't even know who Chappelle is. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]