Originally posted by: Strider
Originally posted by: heero
Thats not exactly true. In the fight between Neji and Kidomaru, Kidomaru said it himself that he was scared he might be hit from Neji's attack because it can stop his chakra flow. Also, I remember Sasuke saying that the seal just releases his chakra to his full potential. Never said it gives him another chakra flow. Otherwise it wouldnt hurt him at all to use it.
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Did you even read anything that has been posted here? I never said anything about giving him another chakra flow. I said that the curse seal will provide him with such large amount of chakra that it will just unblock all the tenketsu points just like how Naruto did. Do you understand it now?

Sasuke did not outlast Naruto because he had more chakra. He outlasted our number one surprise ninja because Sasuke actually hit Naruto with his signature power move. With all the pain Sasuke was already in from simply transgressing to that state of the Level 2 Curse Seal, I doubt there'd be much of him had Rasengan connected against flesh.

In addition, Sasuke was complaining about not being able to remain in that second seal form almost as soon as he entered it. At that point, Naruto had already been all Kyuubi'd out, and showing Sasuke how strong the pimp hand was.

So, I am not totally understanding your equation as to how Sasuke outlasted Naruto.
Sasuke did outlast Naruto because he had more chakra. The way the kyuubi rasengan vs curse seal chidori was set up was to show that which move was stronger. And how was this set up? They intensified the level of power of each move by throwing in the curse seal and kyuubi chakra to boost them up. Get it? You need to stop limiting Sasuke's abilities by referring only to the pre-time skip Sasuke. And who cares about Sasuke being in pain from transforming to level 2? That should be completely irrelevant to this topic. There's nothing difficult to understand in what I've said.

Also, 64 Palms of Hakke and Kaiten are bloodline abilities. Last I checked, Sharingan cannot aid much against these. Otherwise, Sasuke would have known which mirror Haku was truly in from the beginning.
Sharingan does aid A LOT in again'st Neji's hakke because Neji's hakke is no more than a simple close quarter combat technique that require no seals or extra abilities to perform. The only reason why it's effective for a Hyuuga to use hakke is because their ability to see the tenketsu points. There should be no reason why a random ninja wouldn't be able to perform the hakke. Granted, the results won't be the same but hakke is just a simple technique. Since hakke is just a regular punch-punch move, Sasuke can see every movement with his sharingan just like he could do with Naruto's taijutsu attacks. And again, stop limiting Sasuke's abilities to the pre-time skip Sasuke.

Didn't notice this post, as I was quoting while going over the numerous pages I've missed.

The spiders did not penetrate. The webs were leeching onto the projected chakra, basically sapping it. There was no longer a dome of chakra due to Neji slowing down, and portions of that chakra being removed by the web, which created the openings for the spiders to make direct contact and temporarily immobilize Neji.

Either way, Sharingan isn't cutting it in this area.
Listen, nearly ALL of Neji's moves are just no more than taijutsu moves that have a different result. Everyone else can spin in circles like Neji can, but can they deflect things like Neji? No, The only difference between a regular ninja who is performing "kaiten" and Neji is the fact that Neji can emit large amounts of chakra from every part of his body. In the end, Neji's kaiten is ultimately just a spin move. Sasuke can see him spinning in slow motion. That just means bad news for Neji.

I agree with Neji not being faster than Kyuubi Naruto. At least, not in his "One-tail" mode, during the final bout with Sasuke.

However, in the eyes of Sharingan .. Neji might as well be faster than Naruto. Naruto's movements, that were captured in your "Enter the Matrix" Focus vision, were influenced by chakra. You're so caught up in the manga (rightfully so), you should recall that Sasuke even states this. So, referring back to previous statements, due to the motions of Kyuubi Naruto being fueled by the demon's chakra, the Sharingan was able to quickly see that, break it down, and apply a viable counter-resolution for it. Neji speed is based on his own power. His own muscular fortitude. This, like Lee's speed, is based on stamina - which is not so easily broken down by the Sharingan. As explained after Sasuke caught an open-toed sandal to his jaw by Lee. And, surely that was eons ago and Sasuke has progressed a while since then, but the principle still remains. If the speed is too great, the Sharingan proves useless.
You jus made that whole thing up. Great.

Sasuke's speed is a fraction of unweighted Lee's, and cannot be maintained for the duration Lee can. Lee's speed was nothing to Neji, during the greatest bout in the series [Lee v. Gaara], until the gates were unleashed, and that speed there .. well, we do not even need to go into that. Sasuke isn't there.

My point is that Sasuke isn't faster than Neji, or Lee. Neji's seen Lee's speed. He's battled it, and overwhelmed it. Lee's speed was nothing to Neji, which is why the only salvation for Lee would be to take it many levels above with Ura Renge.
Sasuke's inifinitely better than Lee. Lee already admitted it.

This is opinion, over fact.

Kidoumaru is much more suited for combat against Neji. So, while Sasuke may be so much more powerful, his fighting style isn't adapted to overcome Neji.
That's just opinion over fact also. Sasuke should rape Neji considering Neji is just a taijutsu user without extraordinary speed like Gai.

Neji was surprised by Ura Renge, nothing prior, especially his speed. Neji and TenTen were there, as Gai attempted to teach all three of them Omote Renge. Neji knows what was necessary for it. No surprises there. And, with his arrogance, you don't think Neji did what he could to still best Lee's technique?

How can you justify the initial gate as enough to defeat Neji, when Gai taught Lee to open more? Gai knew opening more and moving that much more faster was the only way around Neji's Byakugan and speed.

And, Gai forbidding Lee in opening gates is nothing since we saw Lee break that promise twice. In his attempts to beat Neji, there's no doubt he's done it before. And, still lost.
I honestly believe that Lee could've beaten Neji after opening 5 gates or however many he opened against Gaara. Lee would never use the gates on his fellow teammates, that's just my thought. I'm never wrong anyway.