Sasuke VS Neji

[The Heretic Azazel]

Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
The points that were made in this thread have been made throughout, yet not once, not even once, did someone post a valid counter point to the points made for why Sasuke would win. They just keep ignoring them.

There are 19 pages in this topic and half of the people involved voted for Neji. Just because you stick to your opinion doesn't mean it's elite and everyone else should follow it. There are plenty of good points for why Neji would win just like there are plenty for why Sasuke should win. But don't discredit points just because they don't conform to your opinion.

[Uchiha Barles]

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel

Originally posted by: Uchiha Barles
The points that were made in this thread have been made throughout, yet not once, not even once, did someone post a valid counter point to the points made for why Sasuke would win. They just keep ignoring them.

There are 19 pages in this topic and half of the people involved voted for Neji. Just because you stick to your opinion doesn't mean it's elite and everyone else should follow it. There are plenty of good points for why Neji would win just like there are plenty for why Sasuke should win. But don't discredit points just because they don't conform to your opinion.

When you're holding an argument, you make certain assertions and you back them up with logic and evidence. For someone to argue with you for a conflicting viewpoint, they have invalidate or increase doubt in the assertions you've set forth, while setting forth and validating their own viewpoints using logic evidence. The argument can continue back and forth until one side can no longer validate his assertions or invalidate those of his opponents. By ignoring points made, the discussion goes in circles. You know what? I'd even take "Neiji would win, because I like neiji better. So there." It lets me know who to argue with and who not to. But after posts like the one I quoted earlier, to get responses like "Neiji would win because he's simply better" which do nothing at all to invalidate the points already made, or even give some validation to the point they're trying to make, well...its just bad. It doesn't help the discussion whatsoever. I'm not so stubborn that if someone points out something I didn't consider that changes my opinion, I won't listen. Unless I have a particular bias. In this case, I do not. You don't want to follow my opinion? Go ahead and don't. I use the "This thing is better just cuz I like it better" argument all the time. But I also add this "so there's no point at all in you trying to convince me otherwise." That way, no one wastes their efforts in participating in something that should have been a decent argument, but only leaves them feeling unfulfilled or like they've wasted their time.

[The Heretic Azazel]

Well, I've posted all the arguments over Sasuke/Neji in this thread that I'm going to post, and I ain't gonna posts no more. People came in late in the game with a few shit opinions, you're using the past few posters to define your argument. It's not my fault Sasuke fans are somehow more intelligent than Neji fan when it comes to debating these things.

[Ero-Fan]

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
Well, I've posted all the arguments over Sasuke/Neji in this thread that I'm going to post, and I ain't gonna posts no more. People came in late in the game with a few shit opinions, you're using the past few posters to define your argument. It's not my fault Sasuke fans are somehow more intelligent than Neji fan when it comes to debating these things.

Ha, I'm a Neji fan more than a Sasuke fan, and I still say after Sasuke learned how to use CS level 2, he would kick the shit out of Neji (well, probably anybody below Sannin or Naruto's level at that). Before then, well, I woulda went with Neji, but that doesn't matter anymore.
Edit: 'Course, now that I think about it, Kakashi did say Sasuke's growth would pretty much stop if he relied on the cs, so maybe he hasn't gotten better at all. Even still, I would take Sasuke with cs2 over Neji, even after 3 years of growth on Neji's part and none on Sasuke's.

[XanBcoo]

I'd think Oro would want Sasuke to improve as much as he could if he was going to use him as a container. I don't think he would allow Sasuke to rely only on the Curse Seal, stunting his development and damaging his body. But that has nothing to do with the discussion since we're only considering pre-time jump Neji/Sasuke (just makes me want to see the improved Sasuke even more!) I still think that If, let's say, Neji had fought Sasuke at the Valley of the End instead of Naruto, Sasuke would have decimated Neji with the ammount of power he had. No contest. This is now evidenced by Naruto being able to attack Orochimaru successfully while at the same stage of power as when he fought Sasuke.

Ha, I'm a Neji fan more than a Sasuke fan, and I still say after Sasuke learned how to use CS level 2, he would kick the shit out of Neji (well, probably anybody below Sannin or Naruto's level at that).

I agree. I'm also a Neji fan, but there's no denying he wouldn't have a chance.

[Uchiha Barles]

Originally posted by: The Heretic Azazel
Well, I've posted all the arguments over Sasuke/Neji in this thread that I'm going to post, and I ain't gonna posts no more. People came in late in the game with a few shit opinions, you're using the past few posters to define your argument. It's not my fault Sasuke fans are somehow more intelligent than Neji fan when it comes to debating these things.

*Nods*

Originally posted by: XanBcoo
I'd think Oro would want Sasuke to improve as much as he could if he was going to use him as a container. I don't think he would allow Sasuke to rely only on the Curse Seal, stunting his development and damaging his body. But that has nothing to do with the discussion since we're only considering pre-time jump Neji/Sasuke (just makes me want to see the improved Sasuke even more!) I still think that If, let's say, Neji had fought Sasuke at the Valley of the End instead of Naruto, Sasuke would have decimated Neji with the ammount of power he had. No contest. This is now evidenced by Naruto being able to attack Orochimaru successfully while at the same stage of power as when he fought Sasuke.

Ha, I'm a Neji fan more than a Sasuke fan, and I still say after Sasuke learned how to use CS level 2, he would kick the shit out of Neji (well, probably anybody below Sannin or Naruto's level at that).

I agree. I'm also a Neji fan, but there's no denying he wouldn't have a chance.

Another reason that I don't think Orochimaru would refrain from training Sasuke is that this seems to be a kind of deal made in hell, to which both parties are bound to an agreement. Orochimaru has to train Sasuke and give him not only the abilities of a normal ninja, but powers that he could not get elsewhere. Sasuke has to merge with Orochimaru. If Orochimaru tries to go back on the agreement, Sasuke'll just leave. He doesn't have to announce his departure so that he's not stopped. If Sasuke goes back on his side of the bargain, well, he'll end up fighting Orochimaru, which might actually happen. This is not a deal that either side can easily break. At least I don't think so.