Bleach Chapter 197

[urahara_rulez]

Originally posted by: basey44
ahh hehe i get it now, i was thinking something more powerful than the nappa vegeta guys

lol nice comparison [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

now what i'm more interested in is how the story will develop from here, SS is taking action, no doubt abt that...

What are aizen's motives? conquer the dead world and subsequently control the living one??? that's two worlds in a certain sense... i mean now that aizen's becomed the supreme leader of the hollow world, are we going to get a hollow society? (yes i know it sounds lame)

Who and what are the visards? imao, they are like you dark jedi or rather, if you would put it dark templar like in starcraft, and what are their motives? (other than ichigo...)

and most importantly, what the hell is urahara planning and what he's gonna do!!!???

it seems like there are 5 major players now:
1) the SS as usual
2) the hollows under aizen's leadership
3) the visards (who are prob more powerful than shinigami)
4) the urahara team!!! (does that include ichigo's father?)
5) the quincies! (whose role i have never been able to figure out)

now i wonder if urahara would patch with SS and cooperate with them, though he prob wouldn't return to SS...
Though i would like to see more action from ichigo's father, and that may prob lead to the answer why ichigo has so much spiritual power...

[Assassin]

i wonder if ichigo's huge spiritual pressure has anyhitng to do with urahara's funky element.

he seems to have known ichigo's dad for quite some time, probably since he left SS. maybe he put the element inside ichigo for safe keeping, kinda like he did with rukia. only with rukia it would've made her human, whereas with ichigo it would just be a safe place. any thoughts?

[urahara_rulez]

Originally posted by: Assassin
i wonder if ichigo's huge spiritual pressure has anyhitng to do with urahara's funky element.

he seems to have known ichigo's dad for quite some time, probably since he left SS. maybe he put the element inside ichigo for safe keeping, kinda like he did with rukia. only with rukia it would've made her human, whereas with ichigo it would just be a safe place. any thoughts?

that's food for thought...

well urahara did invent the hyogoku thingy, the way aizen put it, it seems like it was urahara's ultimate invention, so powerful that urahara himself was afraid to use it... now given urahara's genius, i won't be surprised if he made another one, or something as powerful in order to counter it... (heck, urahara could have MADE ichigo as the counter for the hyogoku......)

ichigo's dad's is definitely captain level, the question is, is he an official cpt that resigned, or was a special human cpt or something like what ichigo is, a special shinigami. but looking from the shinigami outfit of ichigo's dad, notice that he has that armband that all vice-cpts have? could it be that he was once urahara's vice-cpt???
on the other hand, he has a cape like the other cpts too... (though i don't see a number printed behind)

P.S. - i think aizen looks better with glasses [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[Dionysos]

Originally posted by: Assassin
i wonder if ichigo's huge spiritual pressure has anyhitng to do with urahara's funky element.

he seems to have known ichigo's dad for quite some time, probably since he left SS. maybe he put the element inside ichigo for safe keeping, kinda like he did with rukia. only with rukia it would've made her human, whereas with ichigo it would just be a safe place. any thoughts?

I think he was born with great spirit powers, since Ishin is a captain, too. But he got the hollow when rukia gave him her powers

[Zhan]

I thought Yami was an Ajuukaru, not Vastorode....he has powers greater than menos and stuff but still far inferior to Uruquiola (obviously a vastorode)

[mage]

Originally posted by: Zhan
I thought Yami was an Ajuukaru, not Vastorode....he has powers greater than menos and stuff but still far inferior to Uruquiola (obviously a vastorode)

no, grandfisher was an ajuukaru. yami and uruquiola are vastoorodes, uruquiola is just stronger.

[Prof. Chaos]

Originally posted by: mage

Originally posted by: Zhan
I thought Yami was an Ajuukaru, not Vastorode....he has powers greater than menos and stuff but still far inferior to Uruquiola (obviously a vastorode)

no, grandfisher was an ajuukaru. yami and uruquiola are vastoorodes, uruquiola is just stronger.

Wait, wouldn't they just be the immature ones? Like probably vice-captain level?

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: Prof. Chaos

Originally posted by: mage

Originally posted by: Zhan
I thought Yami was an Ajuukaru, not Vastorode....he has powers greater than menos and stuff but still far inferior to Uruquiola (obviously a vastorode)

no, grandfisher was an ajuukaru. yami and uruquiola are vastoorodes, uruquiola is just stronger.

Wait, wouldn't they just be the immature ones? Like probably vice-captain level?

they're both vastoroode. the immature ones would be ajuukaru, yami and uruquiola are vastroodes but if you read, hitsuyaga said if 10 of them came to soul society (since there are only 10 captains left) soul society would be screwed as in i'm guessing they're strength would be on par (or greater) than that of a captain (with a sick captain and all) but i'm guessing some captains would be able tot ake on vastroodoes (yes i know i've spelt this word 3 different ways already) but you neglect to remember that urahara and yoruichi are "captain level" which means they should be able tot ake on the vastroodoe on par, PLUS it was a 2v1 so yami could've been a vastroorode its just against 2 captains he would lose anyway. but this would mean that aizen probably has like 22 vastroorode and yami+uruquiola would probably be stronger than the rest because he sent them on the mission, if he sent a weaker one urahara would've killed it.

[Zhan]

Originally posted by: mage

Originally posted by: Zhan
I thought Yami was an Ajuukaru, not Vastorode....he has powers greater than menos and stuff but still far inferior to Uruquiola (obviously a vastorode)

no, grandfisher was an ajuukaru. yami and uruquiola are vastoorodes, uruquiola is just stronger.

grandfisher (menos grande) was a Gilian, not ajukaru. As said by Hitsugaya the grandfisher was what you would consider a peon in an army. Ajukaru is a lot more intelligent and stronger and had a smaller physical size, thus making Yami an ajukaru, isn't that right?

[mage]

grand fisher isnt a menos grande, he even said "don't compare me to those menos peons." hitsugaya said nothing about grand fisher, either, so i have no clue what you're talking about.

let me spell it out for the third time:

gilian -> menos grande (what ichigo fought way back when)
ajuukaru -> grand fisher that ichigo's father killed (not a menos grande)
vastoorode -> uruquiola and yami are all that's left. since they don't look like a menos and are normal human size unlike grand fisher, it can only be concluded that they are both vastoorodes.

[Zhan]

Originally posted by: mage
grand fisher isnt a menos grande, he even said "don't compare me to those menos peons." hitsugaya said nothing about grand fisher, either, so i have no clue what you're talking about.

let me spell it out for the third time:

gilian -> menos grande (what ichigo fought way back when)
ajuukaru -> grand fisher that ichigo's father killed (not a menos grande)
vastoorode -> uruquiola and yami are all that's left. since they don't look like a menos and are normal human size unlike grand fisher, it can only be concluded that they are both vastoorodes.

Oh okay then I thought grandfisher was another way of saying menos grande, didn't know that was actually his name my bad [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[Dionysos]

When we are talking about "who is how strong"...i wonder how strong Urahara and Yuruichi are, both of the hollows didnt have a chance against them. Are they as strong as Aizen? Too bad we only saw them fighting once

[Honoko]

the M7 translation's out, if anyone's interested.

[Konohamaru]

yes yes, very interesting chapter. Man Aizen looks so evil in his pic on the last page. I do think that Ichi's dad was Urahara's vice captain. I think Urahara is strong since he did manage to get bankai in 3 days like ichigo did. I still wonder what his bankai is. If Ura can defeat Yamii like that in the real world where spirit pressure is lower, I wonder how strong ura is in soul society. Ura is definatly my fave char now and Aizen is the a cool bad guy but not as cool as others from other manga's.

[Munsu]

Originally posted by: Konohamaru
yes yes, very interesting chapter. Man Aizen looks so evil in his pic on the last page. I do think that Ichi's dad was Urahara's vice captain. I think Urahara is strong since he did manage to get bankai in 3 days like ichigo did. I still wonder what his bankai is. If Ura can defeat Yamii like that in the real world where spirit pressure is lower, I wonder how strong ura is in soul society. Ura is definatly my fave char now and Aizen is the a cool bad guy but not as cool as others from other manga's.

Gaining the bankai in 3 days is by no means a measure of power. Granted not everyone can do it... But just because they managed to do this method doesn't automatically make them stronger than some of the other strong captains that took years to get their bankai using the long way...

Just because you used a shortcut to get to your destination doesn't make you any faster than the other person that reached the destination through the long way...

[ChaosK]

the result should be the same though, if urahara's spirit pressure is lower, then yami's should be too.

[mage]

it was said captains and vice captains suppress their spirit energy in order to not disturb the earth, i'm sure yami doesn't care about anything like that.

[ChaosK]

Originally posted by: mage
it was said captains and vice captains suppress their spirit energy in order to not disturb the earth, i'm sure yami doesn't care about anything like that.

really? i thought it was more like because everything in soul society is made up of spirt force to begin with...(hence ishida's gathering the walls onto his arrow...)

i really dont think it was renji's choice to get injured against ichigo for the sake of the earth, we saw in the chapter before how he was like "they're just humans..." like he cares that much about humans anyway.

[EpyonNext]

Isshin will just bounce in and own everyone. Aizen, Allankanar, Vizards, ect will be owned.

[kooshi]

IIRC, captains and vice-captains are forced to suppress their powers before they enter the real world. Maybe as they pass through the gate, something happens to them that forces the suppression. That's the impression that I got anyways.