I learned by watching other people. I can do the basic one - but sometimes end up like Xollence. A lot of guys on Debate Team did this at my shcool while they were listening to the other team.

Originally posted by: darkmetal505
yea its as hard as putting your arms out in front of you (so its perpendiculur to your body), bending your elbows in, then moving your arms in circles except in opposite directions. Your body just doesnt want to do it.
lol, I tried doing that as I read your post. Kids used to try that in 3rd grade...I was never any good at it.