Bleach 59

[kooshi]

Shikai and Bankai can have multiple ways of showing themselves. It's like how Tousen had that sleep thing he used on Ishida and the summoning of all those swords against Kenpachi.

[DarthEnderX]

Well, while I don't think Gin is the villain behind everything thats going on(for the aformentioned, he's just TOO obvious), he's definatly not a good guy. He's a huge dick. Kind of like how Byakuya isn't really a villain. Just a jerk.

I'm gonna have to assume there's some kind of Hollow controlling events here. I mean, they're supposed to be the badguys in this show.

[Oolite]

Originally posted by: DarthEnder
Well, while I don't think Gin is the villain behind everything thats going on(for the aformentioned, he's just TOO obvious), he's definatly not a good guy. He's a huge dick. Kind of like how Byakuya isn't really a villain. Just a jerk.

I'm gonna have to assume there's some kind of Hollow controlling events here. I mean, they're supposed to be the badguys in this show.

I think you are over thinking too. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Everything are on the table, in the next few shows things will become apparent. It depends on how much they wanted to stretch the story line.

[yapchagi]

Originally posted by: Kensee
Yep, the multiple moves you guys see are just different abilities of the Shaki n stuff (this is noticed when Ichigo says thats impressive but his sword only taught him ONE ability). Pretty much what he is saying is the answer to all specilation, that in fact there is only 1 shikai and only 1 bankai, but of course you can learn certain techinques for each form (usually the Shikai form). In tossen's case, his shikai has two attack techniques .. the circle he used on the Quincy, and the Rain of blades he used on Kenpachi, that is not his SHIKAI but just attacks he can use (much like how Ichigo can use the attack technique that shoots out a beam of energy etc).

Bayaka really only has 1 bankai, its just he cna manipulate it depending on his situation. If he wants defense and attack, he does sakura flowers, if he wants all out attack and no defense he does his sphere of swords thing.

Yeah and theres still a lot of the story to be uncovered (hell the Manga isnt that farther off from the anime so even manga readers still have so many unanswered questions). SO just sit back and let it come =D.

Maybe I should say it this way...
There are 2 stages:
- Shikai.
- Bankai.

And for each stage, there are probably more than 1 form depending on the user if he/she is able to use the it.

Captain Tousen:
So far, we've only seen 2 forms while he's in SHIKAI stage.
When he fought the Quincy, he used some form (not 2nd form) and the 2nd form Benihikou he used againts Zaraki Kenpachi. (Notice that he said Suzumushi second form: Benihikou)

We're not sure if it was the 1st form (when he used to the Quincy) or maybe it was the 3rd form...well he didn't say it. He may have more than 2 forms right?

Kuchiki Byakuya:
While he's in Bankai stage...He has 3 forms:
- Senbonzakura Kageyoshi.
- Senkei Senbonzakura Kageyoshi.
- Shuukei Hakureiken (the final form or the true form)

Simply, 2 Stages:
STAGE 1 SHIKAI :
- 1st form
- 2nd form
- etc

STAGE 2 BANKAI :
- 1st form
- 2nd form
- etc

And of course, u can use all the forms of Shikai stage when u're in Bankai stage. (Notice Ichigo used Getsuga Tenshou while he's in Bankai stage).
But u can't use any of the forms in Bankai stage while u're only in Shikai stage.
Well maybe someone can if he's strong enough while in Shikai stage.

It's just like u can read CD with a DVD-ROM, but u can't read DVD with a CD-ROM.

[FrogKing]

I think that this is a fitting time to drop Xan's previous reply...

Originally posted by: XanBcoo

[Honinbou]

Originally posted by: kooshi
Shikai and Bankai can have multiple ways of showing themselves. It's like how Tousen had that sleep thing he used on Ishida and the summoning of all those swords against Kenpachi.

hmmz Tousen didn't use his bankai against Ishida did he? he didn't say "bankai" but "sing" or something (cant remember exactly) so I guess that was his shikai..

[FrogKing]

Originally posted by: Honinbou

Originally posted by: kooshi
Shikai and Bankai can have multiple ways of showing themselves. It's like how Tousen had that sleep thing he used on Ishida and the summoning of all those swords against Kenpachi.

hmmz Tousen didn't use his bankai against Ishida did he? he didn't say "bankai" but "sing" or something (cant remember exactly) so I guess that was his shikai..

Just to clairify what I think Kooshi meant was that against Ishida he released by saying, "Sing Suzumushi" and against Kenpachi he had a second Shikai form "Benihikou Suzumshi". Therefore, it is perfectly conceivable that there are multiple froms of a Bankai. The said example is from Byakuya's 3 forms: 1) Kageyoshi 2) Senkei Senbonzakura Kageyoshi 3) Shuukei Hakuteiken. I think that Ichigo has a long way to becoming more skilled in his Bankai (and Shikai for that matter)
Mmmmmmmm, turkey......

edit: I realized that form and release are not comparable, so I omitted release when I really meant form.