The Bitching Thread

[enkoujin]

Fuck you hurricanes!

(And power companies that fix the wealthiest areas first.)

Hope you're doing okay down there, Ryllharu.

[Xelbair]

but seriously - i hope that everything is ok in there.

[Animeniax]

but seriously - i hope that everything is ok in there.

Hahah that's so wrong, but awesome. Modern media blows everything out of proportion to sell news, it's ridiculous.

[Archangel]

I thought a couple of hundred people died?

Edit: No my bad, it's in the 50s. Still, the danger was there.

[Animeniax]

118 total, 50 in the US. Sorry, but if you can't not die from some wind and flooding, you were doomed anyway.

[Archangel]

118 total, 50 in the US. Sorry, but if you can't not die from some wind and flooding, you were doomed anyway.

If i had a friend or a family member who had died to this i'd honestly be doxing you and thinking of places where to dump the body.

[Abdula]

Just wow. Really wow

[Animeniax]

Yeah that was a bit insensitive on my part. Damn you internet anonymity, letting us get away with talking all kinds of shit with no fear of repercussions!

[Xelbair]

Sandy hit Cuba too if i remember right - why news are talking only about US? what about other hurricanes/cyclones that hit smaller countries(with bigger 'body count')? no one mentions them in news....

[Animeniax]

Evidently a lot of the dead were killed by falling trees. I wonder how fast a tree falls when it gets pushed over by a gust of wind. I can't imagine it'd fall very fast, what with the roots still holding on.

[Dark Dragon]

Evidently a lot of the dead were killed by falling trees. I wonder how fast a tree falls when it gets pushed over by a gust of wind. I can't imagine it'd fall very fast, what with the roots still holding on.

Falling on houses, cars etc. You also have to take into account high wind, rain and low visibility. This is a hurricane, not some particularly strong gust of wind that just happens to push over random trees. It also doesn't take a giant oak tree to hurt/kill someone, anything that just had been planted within 3-7 years can be uprooted in seconds if the wind is strong enough.

I recommend you go do some research if you're particularly interested in the subject, because you really don't seem to know much about it.

[Animeniax]

Falling on houses, cars etc. You also have to take into account high wind, rain and low visibility. This is a hurricane, not some particularly strong gust of wind that just happens to push over random trees. It also doesn't take a giant oak tree to hurt/kill someone, anything that just had been planted within 3-7 years can be uprooted in seconds if the wind is strong enough.

I recommend you go do some research if you're particularly interested in the subject, because you really don't seem to know much about it.

I don't think there's that much to know about it that would require research. In bad weather, avoid stuff overhead and low-lying areas.

Animeniax is right along the lines that wasnt the end of the world or anything but I dont think the media coverage was overblown for this hurricane specifically, my family has lived in NY for 20+ years and they've never seen anything nearly as bad as this. Definitely the worst storm in a very long time as far as I can tell. Fucking trees are everywhere.

It wasn't that bad as far as media coverage, unless you watched the Weather Channel which had 24/7 coverage of pretty much just that system for 3 days or so. It is being called the worst storm for that area in history, both damage and money wise.

I was reading a news report on how some of the people died in this hurricane, and still marvel at people's lack of survival instinct. One lady had a tree fall on her house so she ran outside to see the damage, where another tree fell on her, killing her. Two guys died when a tree fell and crashed into the room they were in. Was it like a wrecking ball coming at them at 60mph? Weird situations.

[Kraco]

A tree doesn't need to fall with the roots intact either. They often snap in the middle if the wind is especially strong. So, it can be 10 meters of tree falling from the sky, unhindered by any roots.

[Carnage]

Animeniax is right along the lines that wasnt the end of the world or anything but I dont think the media coverage was overblown for this hurricane specifically, my family has lived in NY for 20+ years and they've never seen anything nearly as bad as this. Definitely the worst storm in a very long time as far as I can tell. Fucking trees are everywhere.

[Ryllharu]

First off...fuck you Ani (I'm catching up here).
Discuss, don't attack.
-Buff

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Second, Hurricane Sandy really was that bad. The storm was enormous. It Is One of the largest hurricane on record in the Atlantic. Hurricane force winds 400+ miles from the eye, and that was before it combined with the cold front and became a massive beast that sacked the East Coast and put 20+ foot waves in Lake Michigan 600 miles away from where it was still swirling in New York State. This thing was about as large as the distance between Berlin and Moscow (1800 km)

The bigger problem was thanks to the cold front it merged with, no one had any idea what it would really do. It was strange enough that it was making an extremely rare left turn into the East Coast.

Due to where it hit, it tunneled a ton of water up Long Island Sound and the bays of NYC while simultaneously smashing the New Jersey shoreline.

There is a reason it made both local and international news.

Four days going I still don't have electricity. I'm starting to run low on water, but thankfully I have relatives nearby (which is where I am typing this from). The downside is the evening temperature drops close to freezing for the next four days. I'm one of the fortunate ones.

I bet the folks of Breezy Point NY (burned to ashes by wind-gust fed fires) and the Jersey Shoreline (with a complete change of terrain) would appreciate that some of you think it was a bit overblown.

Death toll is up to 80 in the US, so the total is somewhere around 149. While a lot of people did stupid things that got them killed (not evacuating), you can't blame it all on them. A 13 foot storm surge in NYC is a big deal. The last hurricane that produced that kind of flooding was in 1938 and killed 600-800 people. Better weather forecasting (mostly satellites) and evacuations help a lot.

edit: hopefully I'll be back in a few days.

[Animeniax]

To be fair, the storm was bad enough to have NJ Governor Christie praising President Obama just a week from the election.

@Ryllharu: hahahah you'll never get how endearing it is when you single me out for innocuous statements that you read too much into or ignore the insensitive things others say while criticizing every little nuance of what I post. It really keeps me going. Thanks.

[Dark Dragon]

@Animeniax

To be fair, most of your posts so far have been borderline asinine in tone. That might've been from general ignorance rather than contempt, but still.

It's very easy to make a general statement about how you should avoid dangerous areas without taking many other factors into account. Many houses caught on fire during the storm, so those people have to relocate to another location depending on the damages. There's also rescue workers who have to go into dangerous areas, death tolls also include those.

Lastly, Hurricanes in particular have different effects depending on location. This is suppose to have been the worst storm in 100 years for the east coast. Areas that do not get this kind of severe weather as often, tend to be less prepared when this kind of situation does happen.

[Carnage]

My grandfather passed away in an accident due to the storm, I wont go into specifics of what happened. I don't think Animeniax is trying to be a dick, he has some good points and some not so good points. Obviously there are things people can do to avoid most of the damage from the storm, and going outside is a pretty stupid thing to do. I suppose in defense of some people, here in the North East no storm is ever bad enough to really make the surrounding environment that dangerous even with a few falling trees (like one or two may fall within a radius of 50 yards or so during each major hurricane). But this time its kind of been like an all out warzone, trees really did fall everywhere beyond anyone's expectations, around where I live they're huge its like a forest.


As for crashing through houses on the otherhand, there really is no way to avoid that and the sever winds really did make them force through like canonballs. When I was at the hospital one of the nurses was speaking about her neighbor's who had a 25 year old son sleeping in his bed and a tree fell through the roof right and killed him. There's nothing you can do about that, nobody goes into their basement for these things because historically there's never been any reason to. I agree most hurricanes are way overblown but given the billions in damage and millions without power, I think the coverage this time around has been completely fair.

[Animeniax]

Thanks for noticing it's not an intent to be malicious or insensitive. I just see online forums as a place to chit-chat and bullshit, particularly a forum devoted to anime. I can't imagine that people take everything that's said on such a forum so seriously and to heart to the point they get offended and hateful, yet they do.

As for the coverage and seriousness of the storm, I guess it's because it seems so far away and disconnected so you see all this coverage on it and it gets to feel redundant and overkill, like reporting about anything that doesn't concern you in your daily life. I'll say it's been a pleasant change from election coverage, which seems to be making its way back onto the front page and top story of news websites.

[Buffalobiian]

I haven't been watching the news, so I suppose I was spared whatever redundancy Animeniax was hit with.

Still, storms suck and I can't see anybody having a reasonable chance of avoiding a falling tree unless they were looking right at it.


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edit: yeah.. try to discuss without attacking (it's mild I know... still...)