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[masamuneehs]

Originally posted by: el_boss
"The world doesn't believe that you're fightin' for freedom
'cause you fucked the Middle East, and gave birth to a demon" - excerpt from The 4th Branch by Immortal Technique

Essentially it was America that made Iraq and Iran what they are now. And now that these countries don't follow orders anymore they are trying to fix things again. Iraq has already been taken care of, so that leaves Iran. Well I don't know exactly what America's stance is on this, but I get the feeling that they wouldn't mind moving in if it gets to that point.

I assume you are speaking about "Operation Ajax" 1953 when you say that the US 'made Iran what they are now'. I don't really think its correct to say that the any foreign nation created the state of Iran. While Ajax and the fallout of the revolution against the Shah hinged greatly on U.S. and British interference, the modern Iranian state is based on one man:

Ayatollah Khomeini

The entire modern nation of Iran is his brainchild. Yes, yes it was a reaction to the U.S.-backed Shah and the oppressive monarchy. But you can't expect people who had NOTHING to do with that event to take the blame. Most Americans weren't even out of grade school when the Shah was put into power. I'm not saying we should try to shirk the responsibility of our nation's past actions, but people saying "America should get what they deserve" are dead wrong.

However, I do agree that many of the nations with nuclear arms have held a double-standard in judging the rest of the world. Namely, "We have lots of them, but you can't have even one." No nation can be self-reliant and able to protect itself without spanning the gap between nuclear and non-nuclear military force. In the end every nation that seeks such weapons purely for means of defense have every right to have them.

[el_boss]

@masamuneehs: I'm not saying "America should get what they deserve". I'm merely implying that the Americans are making the same mistakes all over again.

I have always been under the impression (though I don't remember the source) that the shah did something that america didn't approve of or didn't do something that they wanted. It might have had something to do with trade, money, resources or something of that nature. Leading to america having a hand in bringing down the shah and putting Khomeini in power. This might just be a misconseption I have formed from hearing stories from my relatives, but I'm pretty sure I have seen a swedish documentary on this subject.

Anyway what I was referring to mainly was that, america has in some way been involved alot of the events that have come to form the middle east. For example, putting Saddam Hussein in power, supporting Iraq in it's war against Iran. Then the whole gulf war incident. The campaign against the talibans in Afghanistan aka the war on terrorism. And the retaliation against Iraq.

You seem to be well read on this subject and you are more than welcome to rectify any statements you find incorrect. I am more than willing to learn.

[Carnage]

Would we have enough money to into Iran if we had to? Aren't we like, in debt $2,000,000,000,000?