Fitness and Exercise

[Archangel]

I`m not that into them myself I prefer to go with the natural method (there is way too many negative aspects to things such as creatine ect.), but I found a pretty good one, called vegegreens its a few servings of vegetables in a powder, tastes like the sandman crapped in your cup, but it helped supplement my diet which pretty much consists of meat, dairy, fruit and nuts and not too many green veggies.

...yeah, increased mental and physical aptitude along with increased muscle gains. It's the devil's nectar.

First: Your workout has nothing to do with your weightloss or mass gains. That's almost entirely up to your diet.

Second: Rippetoe's Starting Strength

It's 50/50 if you ask me, you can't tell me you'll build any significant muscle with a high rep ( 15+ ) and cardio routine even if you keep a high proteins and carb diet.

Oh and SS is overrated as fuck, but it's a solid muscle building program for beginners.

[XanBcoo]

Oh and SS is overrated as fuck

What makes it "overrated" rather than "effective"?

[Archangel]

What makes it "overrated" rather than "effective"?

Never said it wasn't, i'm just against the idea that it's the only effective plan available for a beginner.

If one knows what he's doing ( or is instructed by someone who does ) then the difference in results obtained by either a compound or isolation workout is pretty negligible.

I've no idea about all these calculations and theory stuff, and I tend to only run. But I need to build up some upper body strength so I've been doing just push ups and not going to a gym. Just curious, how many chin-ups can you guys do? As in the maximum number. Mine's around 12 I guess, but I'm hoping to do more after this regime.

There's a whole lot going on in your upper body Psyke, care to be more specific? Why do you need it for example.

I don't know about chin ups, i stopped doing them after i hit 10. I can do 12-15 pull ups at 75kg though.

[Deadlift]

What makes it "overrated" rather than "effective"?

there not over rated at all, for beginners they allow you to focus on form with high reps and isolating a particular muscle group very well, but for advanced people that many reps at a high weight really gets the muscles pumped and is an excellent way to start a workout.

that's just my opinion, however I did take the format from a fitness models workout and he's no beginner. In the end it all comes down to what works best for you individually, everyone has a different body, strengths, and weaknesses. when you first start working out it's all about trial and error if you aren't willing to try a routine or new way of doing things based on "beginner" stigmas then you're potentially missing out on what could have been your best work-out.

[XanBcoo]

there not over rated at all, for beginners they allow you to focus on form with high reps and isolating a particular muscle group very well, but for advanced people that many reps at a high weight really gets the muscles pumped and is an excellent way to start a workout.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I was responding to Archangel's comment about the Starting Strength routine, which has almost no isolation exercises whatsoever.

[Deadlift]

ahh SS as in starting strength, I misunderstood SS as meaning Super Set, my bad