Originally posted by: Mixairian
Your first post and original argument was that one should not donate to NarutoFan because the own may be lying about how much is needed to support the site. I would just like to note that the rest of the arguments we are having are by products and not your initial stance.
Yes, because everyone else from this forum was already quite aware of the inappropriateness of the deception itself. You forced me to go above and beyond what I thought was the necessary degree of content to support my claim.

I'm saying that when it comes to business that if there is no transcendental force to regulate, that all is fair. Though, yes, many things may be unfair but life was never meant to be fair. There is no mythical universal creedo that says everything must be fair.
This statement contradicts the one below it, as you tell me here to accept tazmo's improperly advantageous position, while below you say to fight for what you believe in.

Here we have another clash of idealogies. I was taught to face tension and deal with issues. Underground communities hide. Hiding which is often attributed to cowardice. You're saying you'd rather lay low and let things be instead of standing up for what you believe is right.
I know which battles are worth fighting for, and which are hopeless causes. Don't be naive to think that Narutofan will be a revolution that will shake the very foundation of copyright policies that started nearly 300 years ago. Besides, I like copyright protection.

In the case of the anime community, the idea that anime should be free for those to enjoy.
Communism seemed like a good idea at one point too.

People like me eh? So you're creating an us and them within the anime watcher group. My favorite fall back term elite or 1337. Are you judging me so harshly already based on one argument with some ideologies? I'm defending a man's business practice. He does not force people to donate or give him money. He does not make anyone do anything they don't already want to but you seem to be shifting this very personally.
You associated yourself with a crowd before I ever did.

How do you think I've watched most of the series I've watched?

Before bit torrent, there was kazaa, before that I went to China Town in Manhattan and bought tapes, before that I borrowed from friends. What part of this string consitutes as them---oh wait "my people", no your term is fine; target audiences.

Target audience my ass. Not everyone is computer literate, right now you're being full of yourself. The number of people who don't know their ass from their elbows when it comes to computers could very well be happy in your "oh so elite underground community" but don't know or understand how. There are also people with things called lives. Not everyone can spend time and hours on end learning how to do this crap. Yes hours on end learning, just because you might have learned very fast does not mean everyone else does. Does this make you better than them, not really; it just makes you more skilled in one area.

The past few posts I've been civil and enjoying but this last one is quite offensive. Because you decided to end the argument the post before last, you now choose to attack me personal?
Still supports my point. These people are target audiences. If they're not dedicated to going through the extra effort, then they'd more likely go to their nearest suncoast and pick up a sub/dub dvd of the latest toonami craze. Most people who aren't familiar with the undeground community don't even realize that this stuff even exists for free. They lead happy ignorant lives through the companies that dub their anime.

EDIT: Mixairian, your approach to posting confuses me. You seem like someone who's knowledgable about what you speak of, yet you say things that just don't make sense. You accuse me of derailing my topic when I am merely responding to all your arguments (it just so happens that all your arguments focus only on the last line of my original post). You also claim to enter the discussion with no allegiance to either party, yet you make remarkably biased comments that translate to "It's ok for tazmo to lie because it's part of his business." Would you be ok with McDonalds starting a campaign proclaiming that a regular diet of their burgers can cure heart cancer? There's nothing wrong with that if it's for the good of their business right?

If I seem to be getting a little aggressive, it's because I'm frustrated at the low ratio of words typed from my fingertips to the words interpreted by your optic nerves. When I find myself arguing the same point repeatedly, it becomes less fun.