I live near the LA area (in O.C., just like that retarded show) and a ton of mexicans didn't show up to school today.
The only significant thing that I noticed was that the guys that mow our lawn didn't show up. Wow... the grass has now grown a few centimeters. This is terrible!
Last edited by Genma; Mon, 05-01-2006 at 09:19 PM.
Um....I care?
(meant sarcastically of course)
Find a way to become legal first. Then I'll care. I guess that sounds ignorant, but there are just some things in life I'm going to be selfish about... Especially after that huge project I just finished about the middle/working class.
I do admit I'll be interested in what comes of all this, the effects and all that, basically out of sheer curiosity.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own."
That isn't ignorant at all. What's ignorant is the fact that these illegals are: a) protesting America, despite living in it free of taxes, and b) wanting rights and to be "equal". It's like... make up your minds. If you want to be equal then come in here legally, like my grandparents and my friend from South Korea. Spend a whole goddam year learning the constitution and force your kids to learn English, so the American kids near the border don't have to feel like a bunch of idiots because the non-english speaking kids don't understand what they're being tested on. (We have some of the lowest test scores in the nation).Originally Posted by AlterEgox5
I'm not racist by any means, but this whole thing is just plain ridiculous.
Genma, I agree with you about everything but language. I don't see the English language being that important. Canada has two official languages; I see no reason to keep the U.S. speaking only one. I grew up in Miami and nearly half the population spoke Spanish better than English. There are billboards, radio stations and TV stations in Spanish everywhere in Miami/Dade county. It doesn't hurt anyone in the slightest.
Letting the Spanish language gain some prevelence in the U.S. will not detract from anything important. The worst thing that'll happen is that you'll have to learn a few words of Spanish to do business in Hispanic neighborhoods.
"Samsonlonghair - The Defender of the Oppressed And Shunned!" -Kraco
The biggest problem I find with bilingualism is when I know two languages becomes I have my primary (non english) and an okay grasp of the other (english). I don't know how the Quebecos handle English, but where I grew up many people that spoke some other language didn't have a conversational grasp of English. And weren't the Quebecos alreay speaking French back when Canada became an independant nation? That's a grandfather clause, nothing you can do about it. In America, English was the status quo f(but not law) or pretty much every state that joined the Union, Hawaii might be an exception but who cares, stuff costs too much there. So why should all the generations of English speaking Americans have to teach their kids another language.
As to the immigrant thing, while I like my lawn mowed as much as the next guy, if the illegals think they haave any rights at all that just shows they don't deserve anything they're asking for. My friends and I were also talking about INS (which I believe is now part of Homeland Security and thus uselss) hitting all these protests. I see it as an insult to the Constitution to just stand by as people who are taking advantage of this country try and throw it in our faces. If you want equal rights, then accept equal responsibilities.
And a lot of people talk about how immigrants come here for a better life and what not, because their own countries suck or whatever, I say fuck you to them. This isn't some utopia where everyone has a right to everything the world can give them, there is no world government and no one has any unaliable rights to take any kind of action to the detriment of another, only the rights not to have certain actions taken against them. America needs only to look out for American's and to hell with anyone else. This is not to say we shouldn't interact with the world at large, in fact I thnk it's good that we still naturalize in thousands of new citizens every year. My point is that all the good and wonderful things about America aren't for anyone but Americans. If someone wants access to them they can try to become an American otherwise they are shit out of luck. If people think they are somehow entitled to something just because they work here for rich housewives and farmers they should look into a little thing called slavery. White people did it before and I think they'll do it again if it means controling the illegal immigrants and making sure the work still gets done.
Since I have legal papers to enter USA, plus I have over 90% level of english... all this actually doesn't bother me.
The only thing I hate is that mexico-americans (you know, those that live in the border and aren't either mexicans or americans) always screw you, just because they want to. Even if you always have your papers at date.
Oh well, while the Mexico-USA "berlin-wall" isn't built, I really could care less about immigrants.
Ah thank God I'm not stuck out on my own.
And I don't even push the whole "learn English" thing, even though, um, yeah it's gonna help. My problem around where I live is that in high school the only language offered was Spanish. Okay, that's fine, but we get a lot of mirgrant workers through our town, so when a friend of mine was trying to be nice and speak Spanish to a family she was checking out at the grocery store, they just laughed at her and she felt like a total idiot.
Made me extra happy when I was in my Japanese class and our instructor told us that when you try and speak Japanese to someone they get excited and all pleased that you're attempting to learn their language.
I can't respect someone who doesn't respect people who give effort.
Besides, I mow my own damn lawn anyway. =P
In the long run, it's not that I don't think people should come here (even though I think this country is overcrowded anyway and we still have tons of our own problems with homelessness, etc. - did you know more of the middle class is slipping into the working class and lower?), but if they are, then they're just going to have to get in line. The American dream isn't really much of a dream in some respects and even those of us who work our asses off our whole life don't make what we always dreamed we would. I could start citing stuff, but I'm done with that project so I'm not going to. Anyway, if you'd like to live in this country and be equal, well then as Yukimura said, equal rights for equal responsibilities. Hear hear.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own."
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