If you stop trolling my forums, maybe we have a deal.Originally Posted by Srg.Pepper
If you stop trolling my forums, maybe we have a deal.
Even with less time they are working in an area with more people and less workers rights. They should have the ability to crank out higher quality episodes. If you ever go to Japan please confirm what i have heard, that most people work 12 hours a day.
Do you not think that if you had lets say 700 men for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week to make 30 minutes of animation? The story is made by the manga, besides the filler (and really what type of time do they spend writing that?) they write nothing.
Compared to Disney who has to deal with min wage, union's, and tons of other problems like vaction time.
I expect Anime to be of higher quality.
"If you stop trolling my forums, maybe we have a deal."
If you give me head we have a deal. ok hun?
Blatant flaming. If this keeps up you'll be out of here just as fast as you came. No pun intended related to the earlier request about head. Consider this a warning.
Last edited by Terracosmo; Sat, 08-12-2006 at 11:34 PM.
Wait......is this an argument about how anime is flawed in the sense that it's a low-budget production process that consistently yields high profits from a worldwide consumer base?
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Yes, but if it earns to much, why must it be so low budget? Anime isn't produced by small companys, plus they get even more money when they hit the states and people like VIZ buy them.
You would think that with all that American coin they are making they could produce a little less shotty anime. Also with all the cash VIZ and others rake in maybe they could hire better Voice Acters. Jesus Christ they use the same voices for diffrent animes then run the one right after the other.
So you're asking why they don't spend more money than what is needed to turn a profit?
Japanese are all about efficiency, unlike the effort you've wasted thus far to support your "not-enough-money-was-put-into-this-to-fulfill-my-daily-ADD-stimulation-of-western-visual-quality" strain of logic.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
There is also voice over work. Manga and Anime tend to be REALLY different BECAUSE of these time constraints and then they have to write a new script to fit the changes made to accomadate deadlines. 700 people? Show me 700 people in the credits and maybe you have an arguement. You can just look at people that ink comic pages, there aren't that many people in a room and this is just to finish a single book with much more than a weeks time.
It also takes time to edit the work to make it work in their ad spam and crappy stuff like that, there is no magical little elf that says "Animation is: Draw, film, go!" More like "Write, edit, plan scene, edit, draw scenes, edit, color scenes, edit, draw characters, edit etc etc etc etc."
Wow i guess you are right. episodes like.
"192 Ino Screams! Chubby Paradise"
and
"187 Open for Business!! Konoha House Moving Center"
must have really followed the "Write, edit, plan scene, edit, draw scenes, edit, color scenes, edit, draw characters, edit etc etc etc etc."
in truth anime is not that hard to produce. They just lack the ability to do it correctly.
Look at "Avatar: The Last Airbender" that is anime produced in the USA. It has good quality all around, even the voice acting. Even with the USA market not having near the demand of the Japan market for anime they still pulled off a decent show.
To be honest, Avatar: The Last Airbender has just as minimal frames as many animations today and it's quality is similar, if not the same, with the animes you are deeming "crap".
Also, voice actor quality is not something you can tell since when most people say " The voice actor was CRAP!" is because it is in comparison with the japanese voice actors. You are being introduced to the characters with their original voices, your brain affiliates the character to said personality/voice whatever. Like say...one example of Naruto's "Believe It" phrase.
Many of us cringe at the words. But you know why? You actually understand the words coming out of his mouth. In japanese, a good half of us have no idea what he's saying, relying soley on tone of voice to interpret his "subbed" words. But what did Naruto say to have the "Believe IT!" phrase there so many times? Dattebayo, a phrase spammed practically after every breath, sometimes more than once on the same sentence. He says it so many times, Believe it suddenly doesn't seem that much of a bother. What's worse? Dattebayo doesn't even mean anything! It means even less than adding the word "yo" at the end of every sentence....yo.
Anyway...enough with voice actors. To the "high quality" animation you demand like it's a right. Let's not even assume the half hour of animation (it's not half an hour anyhow, don't forget the ads) Lets just assume...20 minutes. Now lets use the standard FPS for everyday animation, 12 FPS. Now, 12FPS x 60 seconds = 720 frames per minute. Now, 720 frames x 20 min = 14,400 frames an episode. They have to get 14,400 frames done in a week and lets not include the coloring and scene planning and lets not even think about the silly sound effects that add that punch to every frame. And then lets not even think about voice actors.
Now, how many editors? For Bleach, we count a whopping 1, oh excuse me, lets include the incredible 2 video editors. Some members of said crew have multiple jobs. Gee wiz, just why is that? And I always considered Bleach the better among the likes of popular anime.
Sure its a lot of work, but they rake in the cash, so why not hire 50 editors. As AssertnFailure so kindly summed up they rake in cash and spend nothing. Well low budget. So whats wrong with making less money and making something that is more decent then a bunch of "Death gods" running aorund, Also did you see the Rukia rescue? She looked like she was 3 feet tall then in the next scene a nice 5"4'. You call that good? Jesus Christ i hope you are blind and reading this with that annoying Mircorsoft robot voice.
That would be perspective, and yes, I do know about the strange height differences from frame to frame. I did mention earlier that time constraints causes either or both story and animation to suffer, this includes the overall quality. That money is probably spent on spreading the anime like a plague around the globe or even as simple as spreading little toys to local shops. It's a business as well, so "duh" they want to make money. If they don't have to spend more money to make a working cartoon with acceptable quality, why should they? You think american cartoons are better? Cartoons evolved on making shortcuts through out history, why? to save cash! Moolah! Dinero! Currency of respective country! And then there is giving money to companies for all the publishing nonsense.
Heck America is so lazy, we'll just dub an anime sort of popular from another country and then dumb it down for an audience younger than targeted. Lets NOT spend the money to get even a DECENT writer! Lets not even look at the voice actors, lets look at the people airing the stuff, Kid's WB, Jet-ex, Fox Box or whatever satanic gibberish they have now. Even Canada does a better job then we do, wtf is that about? Lets look at a prime example, Megaman Battle Network, we won't even show you half the episodes, cause not only are we lazy, we seem to be retarded too.
Well theres something that you havent noticed about the human race most of us are greedy and want to keep as much money for ourselves as possible. This goes especially for the people behind such anime. Chances are they're in it for the cash and could give a shit about what they are putting out. That's my opinion though.
Also stop being a bitch Srg. Pepper...
I'm official.
Hrmmm, there's discussions and then there's throwing a match onto a pile of kindling soaked in gasoline.
90 -95% of the people who watch anime accept it as is, and certainly don't run around wishing it was like anything Disney put out. Disney makes movies, no more than 2-3 a year and each one gets seen bye huge numbers of people all of whom have to pay to watch it just one time. This amounts to millions and millions of dollars in revenue for the company. Anime on the other hand is public TV generally. When I compare the quality of the Simpsons or Familiy Guy to more modern shows like Ghost in the Shell or Ergo Proxy (neither of which have a plot I find unoriginal) I don't see why anyone would complain.
EDIT: That fucker gave up while I was typing!! Oh well, he was entertaining for a while.
Fuck you i did. No bitch, get back to typing.
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