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    Seeing as how we know jack shit about Kuzuku there's plenty of room for Kishi as a writer to pull out just about anything from his ass to justify his survival.

    Honestly I'm sort of looking forward to it, seeing as we've really not gotten any sort of background on the akatsuki members yet. Only one we knowing anything concrete about is itachi and even his motivations for joining them remain unclear (my guess is that he did it out of boredom).

    So if whatever dues ex machina kishi chooses to use, I'm really curious to see what it is since it'll reveal at least something about Kuzuku's background and abilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LobsterMagnet
    Seeing as how we know jack shit about Kuzuku there's plenty of room for Kishi as a writer to pull out just about anything from his ass to justify his survival.

    Honestly I'm sort of looking forward to it, seeing as we've really not gotten any sort of background on the akatsuki members yet. Only one we knowing anything concrete about is itachi and even his motivations for joining them remain unclear (my guess is that he did it out of boredom).

    So if whatever dues ex machina kishi chooses to use, I'm really curious to see what it is since it'll reveal at least something about Kuzuku's background and abilities.
    I almost know more about Sasori than Itachi
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    Oh c'mon we never really learned that much about Sasori.

    Kishi never really fleshed out those flashbacks, all we got were the recurring image of him using his puppet parents to try and hug him. We never knew why sasori killed them.

    We never really knew why he was even in the akatsuki aside from the fact that he was kage killer, plus with an arsenal of 300 human puppets who knows what kind other crazy things he might have developed

    Honestly I had to chose who I'd rather see survive from that arc, I would have preferred to have Diadara killed off and Sasori continue to go on.

    From what we've seen Diadara seems to be nothing more then a one trick pony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LobsterMagnet
    Oh c'mon we never really learned that much about Sasori.

    Kishi never really fleshed out those flashbacks, all we got were the recurring image of him using his puppet parents to try and hug him. We never knew why sasori killed them.

    We never really knew why he was even in the akatsuki aside from the fact that he was kage killer, plus with an arsenal of 300 human puppets who knows what kind other crazy things he might have developed

    Honestly I had to chose who I'd rather see survive from that arc, I would have preferred to have Diadara killed off and Sasori continue to go on.

    From what we've seen Diadara seems to be nothing more then a one trick pony.
    Chiyo explained the culture of the sand village, and how the ninjas of sasori's era were raised to have no emotions and learn only to kill. Sasori's whole backstory is meant to be understood that he is a product of the environment he was raised in. I actually prefer his moments in the series more than most others because there was alot of depth in it without it actually being spoonfed like so many other aspects of the show.

    I also like seeing fights where a major character is defeated before his abilities are fully utilized, just because its too cliche otherwise.

    Edit: Also....kimimaro and haku had much less involved backstories too. Like them, I'm sure sasori's backstory will be twice as long in the anime than in the manga.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    on the whole kakuzu dieing thing if he survives this kakashi always has his MS waiting to be used so there is no reason for this guy to live thru a fight with kakashi.

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    I guess Kakashi's hand being bandaged had nothing to do with anything, then. What was the point of drawing it on him?

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    Dont be so sure he wont die. Kakuzu even said that he has outlasted all of his other partners except for Hidan. Maybe he will die abruptly and Hidan will freak out and unleash some hidden potential.

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    In the Kakashi vs. Itachi and Kakashi vs. Zabuza fights, the sharingan could not tell that water clones were not real.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Kakuzu die, he's stretch armstrong combined with greed from FMA, I think he's kind of lame.

    And I'd really not enjoy seeing a bunch of space devoted to a backstory on him so he can be fleshed out more before he dies.
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    Hm, I think it'd actually be kinda cool to see him killed off quickly and efficiently, but most likely he's not going to die, especially since he seemed so calm when he was saying "that speed of reading hand seals... this level of lightning jutsus... ahh, you're..." or something like that, anyway, he seemed rather calm and realized Kakashi's identity, and yeah, as someone else said, seems pretty likely he can use those strings of his to heal up his wounds, it's possible he's another puppet type, probably his body is some type of outer casing, maybe those strings are what he turned himself into. *shrugs* Just have to wait and see, anyhoo, nice to see Naruto having the same feeling it used to, it was lulling for awhile.

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    since nothing diffrent to discuss till next chapter. something just poped up in my head that made me think a little. Naruto is getting this brand new jutsu and all but kishi left an opening for sasuke to still be stronger then him. remember oro told sasuke not to use some jutsu he was getting ready to use..... he may already have something to trump this hurrican rasengan. Not to mention an opening for MS since kakashi has gotten it without killing any of his friends.

    maybe the jutsu jiraya said not to use really isnt 4tail mode and can be just as powerful, but all indications so far are pointing otherwise. Here is hopeing to something more special then just the new rasengan against a diffrent chidori.

    It is kinda interesting when you think about it really how no matter what he leaves openings for sasuke (his favorite character) to be the most powerful character besides itachi and akatsuki leader i guess.

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    Well, let me first say great chapter.One of the best i've read in a while.Alot of goodies


    Kakuzu being calm was interesting because even though we'd probably all want him to die and this to be over with,deep down i think we all want to see his abilities a little bit more now that Kakashi is in the picture.And, since he's(kishi+ kakashi)already started to explain and show some.I personally wouldn't mind.Kakuzu's a pretty interesting guy.And being as how he could have an inherited trait, or blood line limit,it could turn out cool.

    Secondly.I love how Naruto is getting taught all of this stuff by Kakashi and Yamato.It's like a business student getting personally trained by Warren Buffet and Bill Gates or something.Anywho.Having Kakshi in the fight makes things better and now that he's actually a big part of the fight,it can only get better.


    Note:I figured something that could bring out some clues.In slide 14 Naruto was explaining that he understood Yamato's element teachings.I think that means something deeper.

    He was saying that his wind can "help" and save the fire.I think we all know that that means he's going to save Sasuke or atleast something of that nature.I could be wrong but just a theory.And also,Kishi has a tendancy to draw Naruto with a certain tired focused look on his face when ever he gets to figuring something out or get smart about a situation.

    Once again just a theory.Post away

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    As for the whole wind saving the fire it's supposed to be an extended metaphor of how naruto's resolve will strengthen Sasuke's lost bonds of friendship, blah blah you get the idea.

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    kakashi using raikiri with his bandaged hand will influence the result in 334

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necromas
    In the Kakashi vs. Itachi and Kakashi vs. Zabuza fights, the sharingan could not tell that water clones were not real.

    I wouldn't mind seeing Kakuzu die, he's stretch armstrong combined with greed from FMA, I think he's kind of lame.

    And I'd really not enjoy seeing a bunch of space devoted to a backstory on him so he can be fleshed out more before he dies.

    The Sharingan could and did see the that water clones weren't real against Zabuza. Kakashi copied the water clone jutsu and made his own, which he used to attack Zabuza's water clone. He didn't attack the water clone with his actual person.

    And vs Itachi, it wasn't a clone. It was more of a disguise, so I don't think that counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidnne
    The Sharingan could and did see the that water clones weren't real against Zabuza. Kakashi copied the water clone jutsu and made his own, which he used to attack Zabuza's water clone. He didn't attack the water clone with his actual person.

    And vs Itachi, it wasn't a clone. It was more of a disguise, so I don't think that counts.
    No.....

    Kakashi copied the water clone jutsu because he saw zabuza performing the water clone jutsu, but he can't physically see anything different between a clone form and the real body.
    10/4/04 - 8/20/07

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssertnFailure
    No.....

    Kakashi copied the water clone jutsu because he saw zabuza performing the water clone jutsu, but he can't physically see anything different between a clone form and the real body.
    Isn't it byakugan that can see the difference between clones and real bodies, not sharingan (like Assertn said)? However, even byakugan is fooled by shadow clones since they have a real chakra circulation system. But it wouldn't be fooled by water clones.

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    From http://www.narutofan.com/index.php/c...ines,sharingan

    The Sharingan has many abilities, but it's main one is the ability to copy every Nin, Gen, and Tai Jutsu seen by it. This means that in every fight the Sharingan is used, the more techniques are learned. Also, this doesn't require the user to want to learn the technique. It is like a defense mechanism, which operates once the attack commences. Another of the Sharingan's abilities is seeing through illusions. For example, Bunshins, or even Kage Bunshins are no problem for the Sharingan. It can see them all as chakra sources, and only the real one looks normal.
    The Byakugan gives an almost 360 degree vision and can see chakra. It cannot tell the difference between kage bunshins because the chakra is distributed evenly.

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    Sasuke was able to tell the difference between the bunshins/people in the forest of death that those crappy ninjas with gas masks made.

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