Bleach 108 Discussion

[Yukimura]

@ Animeniax: I don't think anyone complained about Ichigo winning, but I am only 100% sure about what I said. I was upset that they offered up a very reasonable explanation of why Ichigo had to save the day all alone against the big bad guy, then they threw a wrench in that by having Yoruichi and Byakuya show up for no good reason. Of course Ichigo was going to be the one to beat Kariya, he's the main charachter, however it felt more right when he was the only person who had a chance to do it at the time. Even Naruto usually gets his big wins when there's no one else around to help him out or defeat the person for him.

Because the writers unessecarily bloated the barrier between realistic behavior and anime charachter behavior it made me irritated and I expreessed my frustrations.

[Animeniax]

I was upset that they offered up a very reasonable explanation of why Ichigo had to save the day all alone against the big bad guy, then they threw a wrench in that by having Yoruichi and Byakuya show up for no good reason.

Well one of the tenets of anime fights is the one-on-one dual to the death. Sure the others could have joined in, but they don't out of respect for whoever is already engaged in the fight, unless he's losing badly. They always say that "your opponent is ME!" And since Ichigo is the hero of the show and was the first to fight Kariya, the others stayed back. I see no problem with this, so I didn't appreciate hearing gripes about it, but feel free to vent.

[DarthEnderX]

"your opponent is ME!"

They DO always say that don't they.

That and "I'm on a completely different level than you." They say that all the time too.

[Animeniax]

They DO always say that don't they.

That and "I'm on a completely different level than you." They say that all the time too.

I see it all the time, but that makes me wonder: is that a loose translation, or is it actually what the characters are literally saying each time?

[Deadfire]

Captain Obvious strikes again

Seriously wtf is with this statement when hasn't it been black ?

[FullMetalAlchemist]

Captain Obvious strikes again

Seriously wtf is with this statement when hasn't it been black ?

It's usually blue. Ichigo should't be able to use that right? I always thought only in hollow form he could use it, thats why it is more powerful then his regular one.

[Yukimura]

No! First, Ichigo's regular Getsuga Tenshou is white not blue, you may be thinking of when he was blue when he went up against Zaraki. Secondly, he can still do GT after Bankai, but it becomes black and spikey, and also seems to be more controlable. If I remember correctly Hollow Ichigo was over using the attack (it drains his spirit power quickly) when he took over in the Byakuya fight which is what Byakuya is talking about when he says Ichigo was reckless.

[eat_toast]

Obviously either Renji hasn't seen Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshou in bankai/bankai+hollow mode before, or the writers are trying to make an emphasis on the power of the attack, by denoting the change in color outright. I did not pay much attention to the beginning this arc, and maybe missed an ep. where he did reveal Bankai Getsuga to Renji, but I think the first option is more likely, because the only other time as far as I can recall that Hollow Ichigo used that attack was against Byakuya waaay back in the last arc.

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, the first time he did it black was when he was in Bankai. Not Hollow. Even though it was obvious he was drawing on his Hollow power to do it. I think the writers got confused.

And no, Renji had never seen him use it before.

Renji has however, experienced the white one first-hand.

He's probably like, 'Hey, that's that attack that almost cut me in half that one time, only now it's black."

[Kraco]

Well, it was better than I expected, although I suppose not as good as it could have been, if the points Yuki mentioned had been dealt with appropriately. Still, I did enjoy this episode (but considering I hadn't watched any anime, save Nausicaa on dvd, for a little less than two weeks before seeing this, so my mind wasn't probably as critical as usually).

But I'm looking forward to the next episode as it might have some Ichigo-Rukia interaction. I always liked that, despite the shounen show restrictions.