Right on!!Originally Posted by SK
Right on!!
Haha that view allways makes me laugh.
man + man = omg tis zee devils work, stone them quickly D:<!!!! they are responsible for all the problems with society!!!
woman + woman = get the popcorn out lads, /wank.
DB_Hunter you need to get a grip mate. Seriously.
You know one of the most interesting documentaries on this subject i have seen was a test on male sexual arousal. (think it was on channel 4 on scottish tv, i'll see if i can find it on the net)
200ish 'straight' men were given a questionare on thier thoughts on homosexuality. they ended up with 50 who by thier answers were pretty homophobic (it was bad etc) and 50 who didnt mind either way, basically thought it was personal choice but not for them.
The most interesting part was when they sat the men in a little room with some kind of electrode on thier genitals to moniter sexual arousal and then showed them images of men, and basically gay porn.
A high number of the 'homophobic' lads got rather exited while watching it, but very few of the 'dont mind' showed any interest.
You know what that says to me? And what your reaction to terra's thread says?
Get out of the closet mate, you know your gay really.
Oh and terra? Grats, i hope he was hot
Maybe they just liked the electrodes and the hot, young nurse who installed them... >_>
@sairaine: I've heard of similar studies before but I don't put as much stock into them because physical arousal experienced in temporal proximity to an act does not indicate any desire or willingness towards participation in that act(as many convicted date rapists might attest).
I feel that determining attraction objectively is a pretty tough thing to do, on one hand, you can't really trust people not to lie in order to fit within social standards (even lying to themselves). On another any test that doesn't involve input from the conscious mind seems like it would be insufficient to indicate attraction, since you usually have to be consciously aware in some way that you are attracted to something for it to mean much to you.
Sairane:
Mate.. a Channel 4 documentary? Is that what supports your theory?
Channel 4... the channel whose own founding cheif executive condemned it by saying it has an "obsession with adolescent transgression and sex''?
Channel 4, who wanted to run a series of programmes entitled 'Wank Week'?
Channel 4, who arranged for a Masterbat-a-thon to be filmed in London in August last year?
Channel 4, who has broadcast shows such as 'Penis Week' and 'Designer Vagina's'?
Seriously man... at least use a credible source to back up your theories.
Besides, EVEN IF this documentary was accurate (fair, balanced etc), my view is that homosexuality is conceptual, and therefore a choice. So there is no contradiction if there is a situation where someone gets excited and says that they believe it is wrong. That's like me saying using violence is not the way to get someone to agree with you, even if I feel like giving them a slap for being an idiot. And then again, you could also have the reasons Yukimura outlined above regarding lying to conform to social norms.
You can refer to me as 'man' when i grow a penis, k?
I'll admit that channel 4 isnt the most credible source (cant remember if it even was 4 tbh) but i was just using it as an example to put across my opinion ^^
hmm. Personally i think that someone is gay if they are attracted to the same gender, regardless of whether they actually consider themself to be or not.So there is no contradiction if there is a situation where someone gets excited and says that they believe it is wrong. That's like me saying using violence is not the way to get someone to agree with you, even if I feel like giving them a slap for being an idiot.
I also dont think that your example is valid in this case. Try again
@kraco
Haha could be
This thread disturbs me. However I must say...
"Originally Posted by SK
I condemn all homosexual acts, except ones between females"
Hell the F yeah!
We are getting into to technicalities now. For me a person would be "officially" gay if they commit a homosexual act. Having 'feelings' towards the same gender could be a phase someone is going through.
But I would agree with you in the sense that humans are not robots, and that emotions are linked to their actions. So if a person thinks they are gay they will probably end up doing a gay act, if they do not change their thinking.
Well, that's were us, the women from the Porn for Women Liberation Front, come in.
Whenever any male says that homosexual acts are disgusting, we'll be there to mention how much he likes lesbian porn!
Whenever any male says that homoerotic porn is disgusting, we'll be there to say "Actually, it's pretty hot"!
Whenever there's some dude in a series or anime that you might think it's cool, we'll be there to write slash fanfiction and draw porny fanart!
(Note: I don't condone the last one as yaoi fangirls are detestable, but hey, it was kinda due.)
i firmly disagree with the idea that homosexuality is simply a choice or something that you 'decide' or are raised to become. Like most things, I believe there are parts of behavior that are influenced by uncontrollable aspects: brain chemistry, height. Then there are things that how one's raised create, nurture: being raised with only sisters.
Take a fat person. Now, why are they fat? Well, some people simply have it in their genes that their bodies crave and store fat more readily than other people. But what about people who are simply never raised to eat healthy? What about a combo of those two? I think alot of behavior and 'lifestyle' attributes are due to both kinds of influences.
i also totally second sairane's point. It's bogus for people to reject one half of homosexual pairings and celebrate the other. and never insult yaoi fangirls, i know someone who is a yaoi fangirl!!!1
and, on a final note, i believe mankind needs more homosexuality. I think overpopulation will be a huge problem in the future, and the less reproducing the average person does is a good thing in my eyes. Homosexuals are actually performing a great service for society! (although indirectly...)
Humans are different from animals. We must die for a reason. Now is the time for us to regulate ourselves and reclaim our dignity. The one who holds endless potential and displays his strength and kindness to the world. Only mankind has God, a power that allows us to go above and beyond what we are now, a God that we call "possibility".
I don't FUCKING get what's so INCREDIBLY AWESOME ABOUT LESBIAN PORN!!! Do you really love close-ups on female genitals that much? THE VAGINA LOOKS DISGUSTING UP CLOSE! YOU'RE ALL FUCKED UP!!!!
(not that penises are beautiful, but still)
And strap-ons are just... weird. That's coming from me, too. Well of course I have my share of dickgirl hentai around (which I find decent) but why the -obsession- over seeing a girl penetrate another girl? I guess this is the one "male mainstream mindset" thing I will never come to terms with.
Sexuality is just a matter of prefrence that's based on brain chemistry and genetics. It's a choice weather or not you want to persue being in gay relationships but you don't have a choice in being gay or bi.
How would you feel if i choose to treat you poorly based on you skin color. Same concept. Just let people do their own damn thing.
Well when I first started watching porno, back when I was 3, a lesbian movie was the first thing I seen, they've had a special place in my heart ever since then.
Quality material, SK. Nothing wrong with lesbian porn.Well when I first started watching porno, back when I was 3, a lesbian movie was the first thing I seen, they've had a special place in my heart ever since then.
Even better! Oh, you folks are on a roll recently.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure half the guys that endorse lesbian porn do it purely for social reasons.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
You see the problem with saying that its all genetics and stuff is that it reduces humans to just a bunch of chemical reactions and electrical impulses, which is clearly not correct.
If this were the case then it would undermine the entire history in humanity of behavioural correction and general changes in behaviour. According to this theory then a person is born to be a murderer, or an adulterer, or a liar, or a thief etc and they cannot change. There would be no point in having discussions or dialogue's on any issue, as it has been determined by our genes how we will respond.
This entire thread would be useless, as none of us has the ability to reach in to each other and change genes, chemicals or electrical impulses and thus affect behaviour.
Yes a person does have what I would call 'abilities' determined to a certain extent by their genes, but behaviour is not determined by genes. The only exceptions to these cases would be where a person is actually disabled, and there is something fundementally wrong with their gentic make up, like in Down's Syndrome.
As behaviour is not just a bunch of chemical reactions and electrical impulses I believe that Science actually does not have a role to play in behaviour. You can't analyse behaviour like you can a volcanic rock or a piece of sillicon. These things are tangible, whereas human behaviour is not. I would say that you need rational reasoning independent of science to determine human behaviour.
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