Quote Originally Posted by Yukimura
@DB_Hunter: You keep dancing very close to the 'Christian Science' point of view that one of my friends tends to use. If that's what you believe in and what you want us to see you should stop now, since I don't think a lot of people here want a religion crammed down their throats. Since you haven't mentioned anything like that I'm not holding it against you (I don't argue with strong willed Christians other than for fun because by definition a good Christian can't (and shouldn't) admit that his points are incorrect and thus is no use to debate seriously).
Yuki, I think there's a flaw in your reasoning here. A person's faith, meaning the way in which they view the world, will affect all of their debate, whether they want it to or not. No one here is 'forcing religion down the throats' of anyone else. I might as well just accuse you of trying to force atheism or somethingorother down my throat for putting forth your views. Absurd, is it not? What it comes down to, is that we all understand the world in some sort of framework, and we cannot escape this. The reason this debate will never end up convincing anyone is because more often than not, arguments that don't fit within our framework seem silly to us, whereas they may seem quite compelling to someone who holds a different framework. We cling tightly to our frameworks, unwilling to give them up, and unable to see the other point of view. Not just people who are part of organized religion, but everyone. You cannot address the issues without addressing the framework, and neither can you argue without any framework at all. I know that 'religion' is somewhat of a touchy subject, but you cannot ban it from a conversation like this because it is so closely tied to why people hold the views that they do.