I can't say that I was heartbroken at this news. Sure, Naruto is a fun anime, but it has no end in sight, and it can be particularly abyssmal at times. AonE showed a tremendous amount of perseverance to make it through all the fillers. There will always be groups subbing Naruto due to the enormous popularity of the show, so we don't have much to worry about. I look forward to AonE's future projects, whatever they may be.
Wow... this is somewhat surprising, since Aone is probably the group who had worked the longest on Naruto... and they were the best, too. Their translation were accurate - not correct, as many people have exampled here, but beyond that kind of mistakes, their work was always understandable and coherent, which is more that can be said for some other groups.
We'll have to get by Dattebayo, I guess. At the very least, they are very quick...
Oh wait, I download the raws only, no subtitles for me.
Well, good luck for Aone on their upcoming projects, anyway!
This has to come a week after I finish re-downlaoding all the Naruto Eps from AonE after my harddrive crash. They were better quality than my previously downloaded eps and will be greatly missed.
This is indeed sad news.... but I can hardly blame AonE. After almost 90 episodes of fillers, they were just depressed. The second part to their decision was that people just wanted the eps "for their archives", as many people have stated here. That kind of attitude does not make a fansubber happy. Basically that's like saying, "Sure, I like your episodes and they're great quality, but I'm never going to watch them... unless I get a burning desire to check some obscure scene or fact later." That's not the reason that a fansubber puts the effort into doing a sub. They do it so that people will watch the subbed episode when it's released, enjoy it, and stay faithful to that group. Even speed subbers want loyalty and word-of-mouth recognition. It seemed like the community was telling AonE that it didn't want Naruto from them anymore. Everyone wanted the speed-subs so they could rush to the forums and post their impressions. I admit that I'm guilty of the same thing, but seriously people, you should have seen this coming.
This leaves a problem, though. There is not currently a quality subber who has the guts to continue with this series even if it gets licensed. DB is a speed subber, and SD may drop it if N:S is licensed (which will probably happen soon, considering its success in the U.S.). I propose that a new group is formed to do quality subs on a decent time scale, say 1-2 weeks after each episode airs. I would be willing to help with this endeavor. Furthermore, I propose that the sole purpose of this group would be to do N:S, and that a commitment is made to do the entire series, no matter what may come. That's my feeling on the matter
Uhhuh... I disagree with you, and not slightly. When a person really likes some series and is looking forward to it, waiting 2 weeks for an episode can be a stretch. And everybody knows that, subbers included. They are also anime fans, for the most part, I imagine, and many easily above average, or otherwise they couldn't sub but would just consume like the bulk. So, in that sense I doubt they will be greatly offended if their slower pace won't have people wait for them for the first impressions. They know the reasons as well as everybody else.
However, when you say you archive a series, it means you look for the best available version, assuming the series is one you imagine watching multiple times and thus justifying investing bandwidth in redownloads. And what does that tell? That you hold one particular sub in higher regards than others, and thus choose it for archiving.
And I surely don't archive series just for the sake of filling DVD cases and an Access database. The blank media and the time used in burning are too precious for that. Unless an ebola carrying monkey bites me and thus a shinigami arrives to to take me to the netherworld, I intend to keep rewatching series from my archives just like I've done before. Naruto about 3 times, some series even 5-6 times so far.
Depressed is the wrong word to use, I guess. I meant that they are probably just tired of subbing filler crap, that's all. I imagine fansubbing takes a lot of work, and they just wanted to work on a more exciting series.
I assume most series, with the exception of really popular ones, only have one subber (especially some more obscure anime). That's not the case for Naruto. I'm just guessing that AonE realized this and decided there was no need for them anymore. AonE, on the front page, did indicate that they were disappointed that people only downloaded them for archiving:
Naruto was a case of too many fansubbers for one series, and one had to go. But if people still want archived episodes, then I suggest we do something about it. I know barely anything about fansubbing (enough to know I can't do it alone), so if someone wants to step up, I'm all for it.Originally Posted by Badguy
I dont know about Super5, but I watch Aone's episodes right when they come out. I'd rather have Dattebyo stop fansubing all-together and have to wait the extra weeks for Aone's subs. They're worth it! (Though I dont know if this is saying much, because I read the manga in the meantime).
I'll be honest and say that i haven't watched one of the AonE subs since the fillers started but I don't think many people wanted to watch the fillers once let alone twice. I always appreciated the little touches that AonE added to their subs. For instance, translating the signs and store fronts in the towns into English. Also, the way that the subtitles would change colors depending on if the person speaking was on the screen or not. I really wish they would reconsider this but I guess they've made up their mind. I appreciate the hard work they've put into the series, including the almost endless pit of fillers, and wish them the best of luck with the new series they are picking up.
Uh... idiots? If they wanted people to watch their release primarily, then how about RELEASING FASTER? Of course I understand why they have been slower than they used to be, I'd personally never be able to sub the piece of crap Naruto filler; but to be 30 eps behind and still bring a point like that up is incredibly silly. If anything it's a freakin' honor to be "archived" because it means that AonE's episodes are the ones that wins the race in the end, since they are the ones which doesn't end up being deleted. And the same thing goes for the fact that people actually spend time downloading their versions even though they've seen the episodes already.
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Ya, im siding with kraco here, you're completely wrong on that one. First, depression has nothing to do with it....none of the aone staff seem emo to me. Second, archiving thier subs would show appreciation for thier work, not neglect. If they want people to watch thier subs they should've aimed for quicker releases instead of higher quality. They didn't, ergo people watching thier subs isnt a big deal to them. As for staying faithful, that has nothing to do with watching. Almost every person in this thread said they were archiving aone's subs, even though they all watched DB's releases, and thats pretty much the definition of faithful. Lasty, i for one did see this comming (as did those who are involved in the fansubbing community), and i dont really care. You make it seem like its our fault aone's not gonna continue with naruto.
Quality subs have nothing to do with guts. DB can do quality subs if they want, but then they can't do quick releases. As for your proposal, i dont wanna call it stupid, but there really isn't any other way to describe it. Though i do appreciate the fact that you offered to help instead of just demanding that someone do it. However, fansubbers generally do what they do cuz they like anime, not cuz they like naruto. Anyone who's dedicated enough to spend time on fansubbing wont stick only to naruto. In all likelyhood, they'll want to sub other (and better) series as well (which is why there isn't already a group doing solely naruto). Still, if you want to follow through with your idea, you can try convincing the members of our very own (and now forgotten) sub group Proxy-Fansubs. But you'll have to find them a translator first.This leaves a problem, though. There is not currently a quality subber who has the guts to continue with this series even if it gets licensed. DB is a speed subber, and SD may drop it if N:S is licensed (which will probably happen soon, considering its success in the U.S.). I propose that a new group is formed to do quality subs on a decent time scale, say 1-2 weeks after each episode airs. I would be willing to help with this endeavor. Furthermore, I propose that the sole purpose of this group would be to do N:S, and that a commitment is made to do the entire series, no matter what may come. That's my feeling on the matter
Agree with the above two posters. Being the "archive" fansubbers means I think your the best group for the series. That I plan on watching your subsyears from now on the DVDs I burn. You're also the version I show to all my friends who don't DL things themselves.
Everything else is just "the subs I dled cause I didn't feel like waiting for the good ones".
I agree with Assassin on the many points he brought up and took down. This wasn't surprising at all. I figured they would do what they did. There are so many other better series' that could use some quality subbing that we all know AONE do. Naruto is one series, and frankly at this point a average one (Yes I have not watched the fillers I am rating it on the actual series).
On the Fan-subbing there is a line that exists between Quality and speed, So groups grasp it alot more then others, I'll pick a example from what is going on right now. There are/were/is two groups subbing "Code Geaus" your-mom and GG.
your-mom is fast, however look at on of their subs and you will see the difference speed makes. Mis-translations, timing errors, encodes, and sometimes even the quality goes from alright to "WTF is this crap"
GG makes very good quality subs, however they take longer, and you see why when you watch it as most errors are so few that sometimes they don't exist. However it takes them sometimes 3 RCs to get it right. They know that quality is something they can tell their friends and say I made that.
To the fan/watcher/adict speed and quality sometimes aren't factors in deciding, Hell I've seen people watch the RAW of the next EP because they can't wait to know what happens. Frankly alot of newer fans to fansubbing care less about storyline and other jazz and focus on the action. This is where a speed sub is great. They get to sort of understand what is happing and they enjoy watching it feeling complete. The other side that want to know the storyline and jazz care to wait out for a quality sub so that they can enjoy the EP their way.
On a fan-sub group side it can be a race to release faster then the other, or it can be a popularity contest, or even it can be a sense of ownership and pride. You always have to remember fan-subs groups sub because they like what they are doing. and when you for any reason start to lose one of those 3 it can be dishearting.
Again these are far from general statements people can be different.
On final thing before I press submit. The subbing world has become different over the years as the people that watch them have grown, however that also means the age group of most new watchers is around the 8-14 mark. Before it was the age group of 16-22. With fans becoming younger "quality" isn't something that enters their mind at all when they press download.Us older ones can tell the difference but again even then it depends.
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ya, there are alot of younger fans nowadays...hell im 21, and i dont really care about quality. As long as there aren't blatant spelling and grammar mistakes, i am happy. i dont care if the translation isn't spot on. A literal translation of every word isn't what im looking for since the same japanese sentence can be translated 4 different ways and still convey the same meaning. As long as the subber doesn't get lazy or overly zealous (ie: translating "nani" as "WTF!!!"), i dont care about the translation.
This is very true. The thing that really makes this the case? Youtube.
Alot of my friends have kids. Those kids all watch Naruto/One Piece/Bleach(hell one even watches Death Note).
But while I download them every week using torrents, they just watch them all on youtube.
The end result being that even though they came bearly operate their computers, they are just as caught up as I am, watching the same subs I am.
So what you have, is this huge new audience of fansubbers, for whome quality is a completely moot point. Because no matter how good your sub is, it still looks like shit when it's played on youtube. And that's all those kids ever see until they watch it years later on Cartoon Network.
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