Naruto 346

[Raven]

I didn't bring it up. Raven did.

Then I'd have to disagree with Raven too.

Well obviously you're both incorrect. Disagreeing with me, tsk tsk. I don't even know how to be wrong!

[Assertn]

Here's my inductive reasoning: JaySee hasn't read this chapter yet.

[TwisT]

Here's my inductive reasoning: JaySee hasn't read this chapter yet.

QFT

And on why Sasuke is the Underdog. How can you think that? If the would match up against each other Sasuke would clearly win. We already know that he can supress Kyubi and all the power he brings. So what? Is Naruto gonna beat Sasuke with his rasengan and Kagebunshin?

Also we already know that the Sharingan is really overpowered. He can antisipate (yeye my spelling suck) and see throu attacks, copy jutsus, and even supress Kyubi and enter the realm that Oro created for his soultransfer and beat him.

And Sasuke have become alot stronger so even if Naruto have grown stronger Sasuke haven't fallen to long behind (if not even gained even more strenght) then Naruto.

So i dont see how you come to the conclusion that Sasuke would be the underdog.

[Assassin]

You're 'inductively' deducing that sasuke is or isn't the underdog based on how him and naruto fared against oro. But you can't compare 2 characters by comparing them to a 3rd. The only way to compare 2 peoples strenghts is for them to actually fight each other. Last time they fought, naruto was the underdog. 3 years have passed since then, both characters have trained. However, amount of training, number of jutsu's or strength of jutsu's have nothing to do with who can beat who. At age 6 kakashi was a jounin, ergo stronger then any chuunin ranked ninja, majority of who would've been in thier mid teens atleast. The chuuins have more training, but kakashi is still stronger. So just cuz naruto has had 'years' of traning doesn't mean he's necessarily stronger.

Until we see another sasuke vs naruto fight, there is no way to tell for sure who is the underdog. Remember, unlike DBZ, you dont have powerlevels in naruto. The underdog can change from fight to fight depending on strategy and terrain.

[fahoumh]

At age 6 kakashi was a jounin

Sorry, to go OT...but from what I've read, I understood that Kakashi was a Chuunin at age 6 and a Jounin at age 13...or am I mistaken?

[Assassin]

Sorry, to go OT...but from what I've read, I understood that Kakashi was a Chuunin at age 6 and a Jounin at age 13...or am I mistaken?

My mistake. But the argument still stands.

[JaySee]

How many times do I have to tell you that I KNOW why you used it because you cleared it up in your post after the post in question.

You clearly are not reading carefully. My post and statements from the past were relevant when I thought you were trying to prove that Sasuke is the underdog NOW, but once you cleared up the misunderstanding of course my statements will become irrelevant to that particular discussion. Once again, stop taking things I'm saying out of context. I think you need some classes of listening for understanding or some shit.

Umm... OK? I got that already. You've posted this a million times already. You still used irrelevant incorrectly the 2nd time stating your statement/opinion/post whatever you want to call it made mine irrelevant. That's impossible.

The problem is not defying the seal, the problem is that the seal itself handicaps the person against Orochimaru. So it IS relevant.

Relevant to a different arguement. Not mine.

Yep that's true, but in my opinion and I bet that in people's with some intelligence also, that this should only be true when the opponent and conditions are similar in the examples being compared.

There's simply too many unmeasurable factors to take into account, including the difference of the conditions of the opponent, setting, etc. to actually make a reasonable comparison that would lead you to conclude something as to who is currently the underdog.

Here's the problem with yours and others posts against mine. They were all DEDUCTIVE. "I'm right, so you're wrong." I told you multiple times to look up INDUCTIVE and you just fire back with faulty deductive reasoning. That doesn't work. I really don't give a shit if my arguement is right or wrong because it can't be either. It's strong or weak, and you can argue it's weak. I have no problem with that. You guys take it all personal that someone has a different opinion. "WAAH WAAH! You're wrong! I'm right!" All this blather you've guys been putting has been completely irrelevant. I stated multiple times that I'm arguing inductively. That means no right or wrong. That means there can be multiple arguements and possibilities. One does not necessarily have to negate the other. You guys are just hell-bent on making someone wrong. Which to me was quite amusing. I enjoyed your ignorant arrogance, but your next victims probably wouldn't, so I'm enlightening you. Hopefully next time you guys will actually look up words you try to use and do some enjoyable INDUCTIVE reasoning. Deducing is fine, but it's boring.

By the way... I hope Assassin warned himself, or one of you other moderators warned him about his referrence to that other manga/anime you're not supposed to referrence.

[fahoumh]

My mistake. But the argument still stands.

Oh, I had no intention of dissembling your argument, it was just a minor detail that I wasn't sure about....sorry, I'm a little weird like that.

[JaySee]

Damn, you yourself said that those the staments from the past are irrelevant to the current matter.

I said your examples of the past are irrelevant. Mine were to point out that Sasuke WAS an underdog and to show a pattern of switching the underdog.

You're 'inductively' deducing that sasuke is or isn't the underdog based on how him and naruto fared against oro. But you can't compare 2 characters by comparing them to a 3rd. The only way to compare 2 peoples strenghts is for them to actually fight each other.

You can't inductively deduce. That's an oxymoron. You can inductively reason how 2 people would fair against each other by an opponent in common.

I'm sorry he did get his terms down. Your posts are not relevant to a case due to poor evidence because it had no value in the case in which you discuss

Nope, wrong. You can't make something irrelevant. It either is or isn't. He may counter his first misuse with a misunderstanding, but his use of the word in the 2nd error is undeniable. You're idiotic 2nd sentence is just a "Begging the question" fallacy.

It also showed the amount of pain see had to go against it, with also in that same part disabled her to have him surpass her defence

Irrelevant. This does nothing against the fact that the seal can be defied.

Well I have seen many errors in your reasoning, however if we pointed them out it would be such a waste of time since Bud has already done it...multiple times

I still haven't been shown a single one.

ig·no·rance[ig-ner-uhns] –noun

1. the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.

Sounds like you used the wrong term too I think you are looking for is "Arrogance"

Arrogance - offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride. offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.

Nope, I used the correct term. Take an English comprehension course.

With bud's posts he has been trying to tell you that we can't possibly know what would happen, because it simply didn't happen.

That's fine. That has nothing to do with what I've been saying. So you're saying his posts have been irrelevant.

I will not bother defining that word for you too, simply because you wouldn't understand it anyway.

I'll define it for you for Munsu's sake. I'll help relieve him of his ignorance and misunderstanding that PROBABLY is an opinion.

Probably - Most likely; presumably.
in all likelihood; very likely
with considerable certainty; without much doubt
easy to believe on the basis of available evidence

Jaysee,You are so far beyond being able to understand anything anyone here says that this is just converging on uselessness. The really sad part is that you really believe that you're winning. You are a shocking waste of natural resources — kindly re-integrate yourself into the food-chain.

Aah... I see you have the same mind set of if I'm right, you're wrong as Munsu. Grow up.

[Munsu]

I said your examples of the past are irrelevant. Mine were to point out that Sasuke WAS an underdog and to show a pattern of switching the underdog.

but his use of the word in the 2nd error is undeniable

How many times do I have to tell you that I KNOW why you used it because you cleared it up in your post after the post in question.

You clearly are not reading carefully. My post and statements from the past were relevant when I thought you were trying to prove that Sasuke is the underdog NOW, but once you cleared up the misunderstanding of course my statements will become irrelevant to that particular discussion. Once again, stop taking things I'm saying out of context. I think you need some classes of listening for understanding or some shit.

Irrelevant. This does nothing against the fact that the seal can be defied.

The problem is not defying the seal, the problem is that the seal itself handicaps the person against Orochimaru. So it IS relevant.

You can inductively reason how 2 people would fair against each other by an opponent in common.

Yep that's true, but in my opinion and I bet that in people's with some intelligence also, that this should only be true when the opponent and conditions are similar in the examples being compared.

There's simply too many unmeasurable factors to take into account, including the difference of the conditions of the opponent, setting, etc. to actually make a reasonable comparison that would lead you to conclude something as to who is currently the underdog.