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    Problem with tax avoidance is that usually the ones that can really take advantage of it are the wealthy people. The average tax payers cant spend the money those tax "experts" cost cause you need continous support it isnt something you just make the weeks before tax paying. Its a full year strategy so it ends being expenseive and even if you would get any consultant the amout average people would save would be minimal (20% of 1000$ is not the same as 20% of 1m$, even if they want to make it sound the same) So I dont see how that can be fair for average citizens and not something to eradicate or at least compensate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edort4 View Post
    Problem with tax avoidance is that usually the ones that can really take advantage of it are the wealthy people. The average tax payers cant spend the money those tax "experts" cost cause you need continous support it isnt something you just make the weeks before tax paying. Its a full year strategy so it ends being expenseive and even if you would get any consultant the amout average people would save would be minimal (20% of 1000$ is not the same as 20% of 1m$, even if they want to make it sound the same) So I dont see how that can be fair for average citizens and not something to eradicate or at least compensate.
    Right on. It also helps to know the intricacies of the tax code so you can understand how to make it work for you or your client (what is deductible, what exemptions you qualify for and then provide the paperwork to apply for it). You don't have to be a lawyer/financial expert/accountant/tax pro, but your average person won't know the code like these types of people do.

    I think it's like anything, though usually on a smaller scale. Take auto maintenance for instance. Since you're busy with your family and accounting job, you don't have time to learn how to fix cars yourself. If you don't know the ins and outs of automobiles, you'll pay $$$ for someone to take care of it.


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    Obama announces US deficit deal between party leaders

    Well, I guess the politicians avoided that one for now. I wouldn't be surprised if this issue came back up again in a few months like it has since the beginning of this year.

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    I believe that this all is a charade and even in the unthinkable scenario that they vote NO I think Obama has the power to rise debt ceiling unilaterally.

    Anyway this has a lot of consecuences all over the world. I loled at Putin saying USA lives as a parasite of global economy.

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    the american people are retards and american politicians are self serving actors playing out what is probably the best daytime soap on television.

    Your country is doomed to fail, and though it'll probably take everyone down with it, i will still be laughing when it inevitably happens. Both capitalism and democracy are inherently faulty ideals to begin with, and they've been mutated beyond recognition by america, americans and american business/wallstreet. There's no going back now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assassin View Post
    the american people are retards and american politicians are self serving actors playing out what is probably the best daytime soap on television.

    Your country is doomed to fail, and though it'll probably take everyone down with it, i will still be laughing when it inevitably happens. Both capitalism and democracy are inherently faulty ideals to begin with, and they've been mutated beyond recognition by america, americans and american business/wallstreet. There's no going back now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Assertn View Post
    I imagined Assassin throwing his hot-dog-on-a-stick hat and apron furiously at the ground while making this outburst.
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    What's wrong with capitalism? :O
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    What's wrong with capitalism? :O
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_capitalism

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    Critics of capitalism associate it with: unfair distribution of wealth and power; a tendency toward market monopoly or oligopoly (and government by oligarchy); imperialism, counter-revolutionary wars and various forms of economic and cultural exploitation; repression of workers and trade unionists; social alienation; economic inequality; unemployment; and economic instability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    What's wrong with capitalism? :O
    Have we gone back to 2006¿?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    What's wrong with capitalism? :O
    Since americans seem to judge everything by how successful it is, capitalism is seen as the only way to do economics. That's why i like china so much. They made communism work. And now they own you all (and hell, probably me too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Assassin View Post
    Since americans seem to judge everything by how successful it is, capitalism is seen as the only way to do economics. That's why i like china so much. They made communism work. And now they own you all (and hell, probably me too)
    I'm not sure if that's what you're saying already, but they only made communism (if it can still be called that) "work" by maintaining their government control in everything that could badmouth the government while letting their economy run away in a "make money in anyway you can" ultra-capitalist style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I'm not sure if that's what you're saying already, but they only made communism (if it can still be called that) "work" by maintaining their government control in everything that could badmouth the government while letting their economy run away in a "make money in anyway you can" ultra-capitalist style.
    I was just about to say that. I am not a fan of unrestrained greed, but some capitalism is not really that bad. In the US, it has run rampart, and is kind of eroding our society.

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    This actually sounds similar to another story where a woman was jailed for wearing short shorts to court.

    If it wasn't 90 °F (~32 °C) outside, then I wouldn't have let her into the store with her bikini either assuming she was escorted outside because of that.

    I understand that people have the ability to exercise their rights and civil liberties, but you can only go so far in some situations before it becomes inappropriate. Then, there's blaming being passed around because someone refused to admit that they might be in the slightest wrong for wearing something inappropriate at a public establishment.

    Also, I just realized that there's actually a website dedicated to show the customers of Wal-Mart.

    Where I work, we occasionally get customers coming in wearing skimpy and seductive clothing during the summer. In rare cases, it becomes distracting and also becomes sexual arousing as well. I find myself in situations where my sexual arousal will be so high that I will have to go to the empty parts of the store and meditate to calm myself down. It's very cumbersome, unproductive and unprofessional when customers do things like this, so this is where my views are coming from.

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    Hey, if the French can ban full-body Muslim clothing at the beach, Wal-Mart can ban bikini-tops in their supermarkets.

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    What I was left wondering is that since Wal-Mart told to either get out or wear a shirt, would they have donated that said shirt (or borrowed it)? You can't really demand a person to wear a nonexistent shirt, after all, and I've never heard of a store demanding a person to first buy clothes from their selection in order to continue shopping for something else.

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    Or you could ask them to wear one of their empty cardboard boxes. Problem solved.

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    Totally within Walmart's rights to ban half-naked hambeasts...
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    No shirt, [or] no shoes, no service. Common policy in retail establishments throughout the US.

    While the People of Walmart site shows plenty of things that equal (and often exceed) the lack of clothing this woman was wearing, it's up to the management of the store if they want to deny someone service.

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