This is ridiculous. If another man breaks into your home and threatens your security, you should have every right to shoot him.
I mean if its an unarmed kid, that's one thing. But for a full adult to break into you house, you should be allowed to defend yourself.
That's the dangerous part, how do you know if the "kid" is armed? Do you really want to give them the benefit of the doubt and then eat a bullet?Originally Posted by Carnage
I had 2 punks, around age 14-17 kick my front door as a prank. I went outside with my gun looking for them, but they had disappeared. I think they were hiding nearby and saw I meant business, since I haven't seen them around my house the past few months since then. From the size of them they looked like full grown adults, but we've seen them around the neighborhood before and they are teens. I think I posted about it in the bitching thread, but if I had seen them that night, they'd be two dead "kids".
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
Lol, and XanBcoo, the forum's bleeding-heart liberal, makes a b-line into the conversation. This is why Texas has the lowest reports of burglary in the country. Meanwhile in other states, a thief can trip and hurt himself in an attempt to break into your house and then SUE you for damages.
Also, when the responder was talking about sending ultras, I imagined these careening through the neighborhood:
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Cold-blooded man, though I agree with you on conservative values and laws governing justice and making the world a safer place. The world is over-crowded anyway, and you and me ain't nuthin' but mammals, and mammals are animals and animals do what we do.
Bwhahah! I also wondered what he meant when he referred to sending "ultras", though I'm not so much of a SC fan to think of 'lisks.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
It's the opposite: http://www.google.com/search?source=...951961ff9ba31d
Oh, I wasn't so much replying to you as I was mocking Castle Law in general. Responding to anything less than a life-threatening situation in self-defense using deadly force is ridiculous.
I'm happy there are systems in place to allow for self-defense. I am disgusted by the vigilantism and blood lust it stirs up in trigger-happy rednecks.
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<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
Definitely "tough on crime" doesn't work as a system of social control to prevent deviance, but what I'm primarily concerned with is protecting me and mine, and if laws allow that, then I'm all for them.
Also keep in mind the revolving door nature of crime and punishment. Even if the two burglars were arrested, they'd most likely be out within a couple of years under plea bargain or for some other bs reason (jail overcrowding). I wouldn't want to risk them coming back for revenge or just to burglarize our homes again.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
So you have literally 0 faith in the deterrent jail philosophy? You know, the whole reason we send people to jail, punishing them in the hopes that they'll learn from their mistakes. :|
so someone who's either driven to desperation through starvation or other equally inhumane circumstances, or the person is clinically mentally insane, breaks in. Therefore, when they try to take your flat-screen TV, you gotta blow their brains out.
Seriously guys, normal people don't just rob houses. I mean, punk kids break in to get some adrenaline rush, and because it's hip to be an outlaw. But if you want to kill some naive kid because they were trying to be cool, then I gotta go back to the bloodlust thing. But really, those sub-human degenerates are only pressured to break into your house because they can't do anything else. "No way dude, it's the mafia breaking into my house with fully-automatic machine guns to steal my new laptop!" right...
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None whatsoever, and that is largely because of the way we treat people who have served their time and go free. There is a overwhelming stigma on a person who has gone to jail. They're not really able to get a normal job because they made some stupid mistake in the past. Yes, there are surely people who wind up in jail and can't be trusted afterward, but that's largely a part of why they were in jail in the first place. But the problem is everyone gets treated like that, regardless of the circumstances.
The social system surrounding incarceration leads them to wind up back in jail. They aren't allowed the chance to get back on their feet and lead a normal life again, so they end up getting desperate once again.
Actually I'm in school learning about criminal justice and the numbers don't lie and the entire US prison/justice system has failed and does not work. Prison sentences and even the death penalty are not significant deterrents to crime. Sending people to jail/prison does not work for the vast majority, it only serves to make them better criminals or postpone their criminal activity.
As Ryllharu said, it's a self-fulfilling mechanism that virtually guarantees people will stay in the system. Without the power to fix the system, common citizens like you and I have only one effective means of dealing with criminals, and that's with lead.
“For God will not permit that we shall know what is to come... those who by some sorcery or by some dream might come to pierce the veil that lies so darkly over all that is before them may serve by just that vision to cause that God should wrench the world from its heading and set it upon another course altogether and then where stands the sorcerer? Where the dreamer and his dream?”
I don't think it's cool to murder people for trespassing.
Look at my heart.
It's bleeding.
<@Terra> he told me this, "man actually meeting terra is so fucking big", and he started crying. Then he bought me hot dogs
I don't think its cool to be trespassing. What does it say about the law when people are fully aware of it, yet break it anyway?
In all seriousness, though, imagine yourself in that old guy's position. Say you see a bunch of guys sneaking around stealing your friend's personal stuff. You call the authorities, but it's very likely that by the time they arrive, the thieves will be long gone. What do you do? If your answer is "sit and wait," then I'm going to have to accuse you of either being naive in thinking everything will pan out just fine, or being a coward because confrontation is scary.
So let's say you decide to confront them. Now you're in a situation where either:
A) the suspects surrender
B) the suspects flee
C) the suspects attack
Sure, surrender would be ideal, but you don't know what's going on through their heads. You don't even know what they're carrying or what they're capable of. Unless you're going out there with a weapon, I highly doubt they'll surrender, so you need to be in a position of power before you can even challenge them. Now you have a weapon, and the targets might also have weapons, and now the situation escalades.
This is basically exactly what happened as far as the story narrated. The old guy didn't sound like he was Yosemite Sam waiting for the chance to shoot up some varmints. He was in a state of panic and knew he had to do something. He found himself in a dangerous position and reacted the way he felt he needed to in order to dissolve the conflict. Sure, he could've just shot them in the legs, but I wasn't there, so I'm not going to make that call.
Honestly, I think its really easy for any of us to just sit here in our warm comfy rooms sipping on chai tea lattes and argue that justice always prevails and that the system will keep us safe. Meanwhile we watch on as 15 year old girls get raped, or allow our planes full of passengers to be hijacked just because a couple guys brought box-cutters onboard, all because we're not "certified law enforcers." I think it's awesome to see a community look out for one another, and it was brave of someone to risk their life to protect someone else's possessions, and its arrogant to believe that if you suddenly found yourself in a similar position, you would be able to handle the situation like any upstanding saturday-morning cartoon superhero.
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